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Increasing number of Canadians want to reconsider ties to monarchy, survey suggests
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I don’t think most of those people who were questioned realize the monarchy is nothing but a figure and holds essentially no power, even though they do need to ratify stuff.
I imagine they do realize that but then follow that thought up with, "So why are we continuing with this...?"
Not according to the article you posted.
Just over half of respondents, at 51 per cent, agreed with the statement that the monarchy in Canada is outdated, does not have a place in the 21st century, and “we have to get rid of it.” In comparison, 33 per cent said the monarchy is an important part of the country’s history.
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On the other hand, the number of people who believed the monarchy “remains a positive symbol for Canada” rose by four points, to 52 per cent from 48, compared to 2021 data.
That seems to back up what I said? 51 percent, a majority, don't see any reason to continue on with what they see as an outdated institution.
If it doesn’t affect anything, why the sentiment “we have to get rid of it”, arguably those would be the people that think they still hold power.
And even more than that amount see it as a positive….
We have to get rid of it because it's entirely unjustifiable that a 'royal' family exists regardless of the actual power that they wield. We've long moved past the concept of divine right of kings, there is no ethical basis for this institution. Those are the grounds on which it must be got rid of. That they are powerless money sucks that do nothing for us is just the cherry on top.
… the monarchy holds no power, parliament does.
This is the exact thing I was talking about, say with me, the monarchy has NO POWER and is nothing more than a figure head. They’ve moved past the divine right of the “king” decades ago.
And Canada pays zero money to the monarchy, so they a rent a money suck either.
So circling back to people no understanding… thanks for proving my point explicitly!
Right, so time to get rid of the pointless institution. Why is this family receiving state money when there is no justification for them to be doing so? Bye bye, time to get a real job.
We don’t pay them though….
Thanks for proving my point mate!
It would cost us money to remove them while it costs us nothing for them to sit there.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/how-much-does-the-monarchy-cost-canadian-taxpayers-1.6376130
That figure comes from a pro-monarchy group so is almost certainly the lowest estimate possible, by the way. They certainly cost us money.
Most of those costs would be there regardless of the moncarchy.
Still have to upkeep historical buildings, still need to accommodate nationals among other costs.
And we don’t know what the other option could cost, it may cost more since we don’t have established accommodations.
It’s not as simple as you seem to think, those costs wouldn’t just go away….
Well as I said previously, the money is just the cherry on top. The actual basis for getting rid of the monarchy is that it's an institution with no real legitimacy. Our figurehead is a charlatan.
Stop moving the goalposts.
This is the original goalpost. The money talk was a side track the entire time.
You moved to money after it was pointed out they have no “power” and needed a different argument.
Your “grounds” don’t exist… they don’t pay them money… do you even know your point?
And again, thanks for proving all of points explicitly, you are the exact person my comments are directed at, you don’t comprehend how our monarchy works!
I didn't need to move to money at all. I explicitly noted that financial concerns were just a bonus on top of the real reason the monarchy needs to go, which is that it's an illegitimate institution. The 'get a job' bit was a rhetorical flourish.
More of your fallacies and goalposts moving….
How is it an illegitimate institution when it holds no power?
Your rhetorical flourish just shows you have no concept of the issues at hand mate… you clearly don’t comprehend how the monarchy functions and are only here to argue your bias and rhetoric.
If you’re not here to have a conversation, why the hell are you here?
What kind of polling is this? It is not a contradictory standpoint to both say that something is an important part of a countries history, and it should be removed anyways.
That what happens when uneducated people participate in these polls.
I don't think the issue is the people participating, it's the design of the poll itself
The design of the poll is fine, if people were educated on how the monarchy works.
You don’t go into a lawyers office and poll them on a bunch of construction topics, that doesn’t mean the design of the poll is inherently flawed.
Just because a warplane has an ejection seat doesn't mean you HAVE to use it. It's just a pretty good option in some cases in order to save the pilot.
Okay I know that "I'm smarter than everybody" is popular on sites like this but you can't be serious in thinking that the average person thinks the King of England has real practical usable political power in Canada.
A lot of people do, no different than people thinking the premier wields absolutely power as well. These people exist.
Symbols have power. Why do you think there is argument about configuration flag in the South?
Configuration flag?
lol, autocorrect. Confederation.