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I remember when I was younger, having low unemployment was considered a good thing, universally desired it seemed. Only in late stage capitalism is it a requirement that we have people who can’t find a job so the working class doesn’t get too uppity.
Reactionary take in response to billionaires being put in their place by a working class that is gaining back the union culture of the 20th century and pro-labour fervour of the 19th, assisted by the technology of the 21st.
More people are supposed to not have jobs, but at the same time, not be collecting unemployment or public assistance. So basically… go panhandle, live in a tent city, go to prison, or I guess just die is their suggestion.
If they died or went to prison then unemployment would go back down. The truth is they have no intelligent solutions and their economic beliefs are all make believe.
I thought of that but considered maybe they just want people to die, anyway. Agreed, I don't get the impression this guy is super good at societal engineering or economics, other than as such might benefit people like him in the short term.
This effect was analysed in great detail by Marx in the 19th century, so it's not a characteristic of late stage capitalism, just of capitalism.
His term "Reserve army of labour" refers to the unemployed.
From Capital by Marx
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_army_of_labour
Low unemployment is a good thing- to a certain percentage (3% i think?). Not 0%.
People are arguing saying we expect some people living it tents - no, we expect to have people unemployed for a short time while they swap jobs, or seasonal workers out of season, or new grads looking for their first role.
A good thing for who exactly?
Uh... people and the economy??? To copy paste my other comment
I'll happy tell a new grad they don't have to work full time in a minimum wage job while they work through the process of acquiring their first post-grad role, or the student to enjoy their gap year traveling the country. Happily tell the seasonal worker who did 15 hour days over summer they made enough to have 6 months off. The stay at home parent that they are doing a good thing even though they aren't getting paid for it, or the person transferring between jobs that they don't have to start the day after resigning from their other role.
Happy to. I'll happy tell a new grad they don't have to work full time in a minimum wage job while they work through the process of acquiring their first post-grad role, or the student to enjoy their gap year traveling the country. Happily tell the seasonal worker who did 15 hour days over summer they made enough to have 6 months off. The stay at home parent that they are doing a good thing even though they aren't getting paid for it, or the person transferring between jobs that they don't have to start the day after resigning from their other role. Do you want to tell them all to get back into paid employment right now to keep unemployment at 0%?
There is a difference between unemployed but needing to work in order to afford food and shelter, and unemployed but being able to stay out of the workforce for a while. A lot of people need work but can't find any. Certain degrees of unemployment are fine if those who can't find work are taken care of, through a social safety net and similar.
Correct - but the unemployment rate doesn't take that into account.
I lie, I gave a few bad examples. Those of working age but not looking (like the SAHP) are out of workforce and not included in unemployment rate. But seasonal, grads looking for the right job and those transferring between jobs are still unemployed and form that 3% i mentioned. The other type (structural unemployment) that relates to not having the skills that employers search for we should have as close to 0% as possible and that part is a concern.