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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In your case this issue is that transit takes twice as long as driving. That sounds like a transit design failure.

I'm aware that transit has challenges in rural areas, but that's a small portion of transit.

The primary point I'm trying (and clearly failing) to get across, is that the North American lie that suburbs arent dense enough to have any transit. As we seem to be agreeing, a large share of somewhere even as low as 6 acres houses can work. Therefore that "standard" 1/4 acre lots that are all over the bloody place are more than dense enough for transit.

There also dense enough for businesses too, but that another argument.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It sounds like a road issue to me. There's only one road the to local village from my house. One road between my village and the nearby city, and my work isn't on that direct line. Nothing can be done about any of those short of a personal bus line just for my house, which is normally called a taxi.

I live in an area with only slightly larger than quarter acre lots, less than a half acre each.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So your neighborhood is somewhere in the 1200-2500 houses / mi^2 ? But it's a ~15 min drive to the village for any shopping? Perhaps a lack of goods and services for your neighborhood is the more important issue.

I'm also not clear on how the train from the village to the city is slower than driving. Is it just a very slow train?

Edit: US units are confusing, my initial density figures were way off. 640 acres to a mi^2

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My neighbourhood is on a lake, so while the properties are small, they only exist as a strip along the water and a block out from that. We are surrounded by mountains which make building further difficult.

I think there's around 2000 people around the whole lake, and it takes 15 minutes to drive from top to bottom.

I live on the other side of a mountain from the city, the train we had (it doesn't run anymore) was definitely slower than cars. It also would have to stop multiple times once it got to the suburbs of the city to pick up or drop off people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In that case, yes, it sounds like a small autonomous fleet from the central point, with a light rail to the city would be a good solution.

My in-laws have a similar chokepoint. Living on an island all traffic is bottlenecked though a single ferry (now reduced capacity due to widening vehicles).

Bus/tram to the neighboring town and city from the ferry would cover 90% of non-farming/work traffic, and avoid needing to wait up to 4 crossings to get across. An small autonomous fleet would achieve the same effect on island.