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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The low density/low height example in the nature article is still 5k people per Km^2. While definitions vary wildly, I usually see 1000-400 people per km^2 for suburb definitions.

Does example D look like suburbs to you? As something undefined it could be considered suburbs, but probably "streetcar suburb" in the Canadian/American context.

Critically the article also mentions a requirement for best practice greenery management to maximize carbon sequestration. I'm no botanist, but I'm guessing caretaken parks do better then monoculture lawns (assumption).

Edit: missed that the first link was a different study. That like on spanish cities has its lowest density group defined as <100 pop/hectare, if my math is right, that means <10,000 pop/km^2. Significantly denser than any suburb. This is also a region when thermal energy is spent of cooling, not heating. And while it adjusts for climate effect, it doesn't seem to adjust for the modernity/thermal effectiveness of the buildings. Such to say, a building with an air-conditioner will spend more thermal energy than one without.

Basically your two links are showing that cities can be too dense, and there is a point when they lose GHg efficiency. There is no mention of anything lower than what, as a Canadian, I would still call high density (just not super high density).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It'd probably depend on the park and how it's designed/managed, but I'd be shocked if monocultured lawns sequestered any carbon. I know in agriculture it's a huge problem that industrially-grown monocultures -- where they till the soil and crop-dust fertilizers and pesticides and herbicides and fungicides -- emit huge amounts of previously-sequestered soil carbon. A result is that doing the reverse -- i.e., growing food regeneratively in polycultures and without tillage and artificial fertilizers and without all the -icides -- is considered a good way to sequester carbon.

Considering we grow grass lawns similarly to how we grow corn monocultures, I'd bet grass lawns are similarly awful for the soil and thus the climate as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm obviously biased by the parks I live near and see/use every day, but when I think of a park, I think of tree'd sitting areas, tree'd play areas, tree'd walking paths, and some monoculture sports fields, with trees for the stands.

There are lost of community gardens around, but as a black thumb I don't use them and bias them out.

Basically my city has a hard on for trees in parks, and I'm all for it. I also think I've developed a bias that roads have no trees, and streets have trees.