EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)
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So you said that you support the regime of extreme global inequality against the third world in order to maintain treats in the first.
I support what are realistic policies actually will push the status quo in the direction you want.
Larping on the internet waiting for a revolution to occur seems like a nice fantasy.
IDK what country you're from, but in America at least, a democratic socialist has about as much likelihood of being elected to any given office as a communist does, so if you're looking for "realistic" policies you should look elsewhere.
There are numerous democratic socialists who are in Congress, you just aren't paying attention.
Run for office. There have been many spoilers from genuine grassroots campaigns. Don't want to do either? Keep coping and seething online.
Who are you talking about? AOC? If your definition of a democratic socialist is a left-leaning Democrat then it is thoroughly incompatible with mine, because I would require at a minimum that anybody classified as any kind of "socialist" be staunchly opposed to Capital.
I'm talking about Emmanuel Goldstein. Anyone I can possibly list will never meet your purity test.
Yes. We purity test. People who support capitalism cannot be counted upon to overthrow it. Glad we're on the same page.
Don't forget to send me a text when the revolution starts, comrade.
The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. Entryism always ends up changing the entrant instead of the system. We are revolutionary socialists.
It's clear you never studied US politics if you think that is remotely true. The Gilded Age and the Great Depression briefly pushed America away from corporate interests towards policy that benefited the working class. We averted overt fascism a la the Business Plot and the ratfucking that Smedley Butler disclosed while being the most badass anti-capitalist ever.
You're not a revolutionary socialist, you're a larper who won't do anything to better the world other than wait for this revolution like it's the second coming of Christ.
You guys are the QAnon of the left.
You're describing one group of bourgeoisie resisting a takeover by a different group of bourgeoisie. This is not a meaningful resistance to capitalism, this is the maintenance of a capitalist state.
Present some options that have broad appeal and would be accepted by the proletariat. I don't know if you've looked around the US, but the voting proletariat generally find centrist policies to be "far left".
How do you have your people's revolution without the people?
I too support democratic socialism
Allende just needed more people's militias
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the Allende thing is more a US intervention problem that a democratic socialism problem. Certainly Mohammad Mosaddegh would agree.
So socialism, if it has any degree of democracy to it, which is kind of essential to socialism, is evil in your eyes.
What version of decision making is acceptable in socialism then?
Just one party rule?
"Democratic Socialism" is a term for a specific school of thought within socialism that I am criticizing for its tendency to align with imperial, ie US/NATO foreign policy that has created a system of unequal exchange that keeps most of the world in poverty in order to fund the excesses of the first world. It does not mean "socialism but we have a democracy", that's every form of socialism. Also it generally has a different meaning when applied to socialist movements in third world countries, which is why I wouldn't criticize a party like MAS for the same reason.
I consider China's Whole-Process People's Democracy to be the current gold standard democratic process on this planet. Democracy should not end when people vote for their representatives, it should be a constant process of polling and implementing the will of the people, and its success is why Chinese citizens have among the highest satisfaction with their government of anyone.