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They aren't asking devs to be admins or for admins to be devs. They specifically called out the developers because code exists to filter child sexual abuse material, disseminated by organizations such as the FBI and law enforcement, which can be implemented for image uploading.
NOBODY in this comment section is advocating for uploading fucking child sexual abuse material. That is a strawman you are setting up. Nobody is advocating for allowing the uploading of child sexual abuse material, or for the "material to be up on lemmy instances". NOBODY is suggesting that a single instance going down is "the world is ending". NOBODY is asking for "100's of mods to specifically address this one user's posting of CSAM".
You're setting up a strawman argument nobody is proposing. The criticism is that, at this moment, the developers of Lemmy have not implemented a method for automatically vetting uploaded images for CSAM without requiring "100's of mods", which is what resulted in the condition that "taking the community down is the only option here".
Perhaps the wording of the original post was not precise and accurate enough for your full and complete understanding of the intent and meaning behind it. In this post, I have attempted to elucidate that intent and meaning to a degree which I hope is understandable to you.
As another commenter posted below:
As far as I am aware, every major site does use it in addition to manual vetting for any flagged "borderline" or "uncertain" results caught up in the filter.
Db0 even created a tool for Lemmy:
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/2896209
This is just a matter of confirmation bias from your side now. You stubbornly refuse to accept factual information very helpfully delivered to you by users who have many better things to do than respond to your inquiries, and you dogmatically refuse to acknowledge that there are advanced and reliable automation tools available for the use case in question. And while you do all that, you belittle the other users in the community by referring to your supposedly superior knowledge and experience, however somehow failing to provide any data or secondary sources to back up your claims.
They absolutely can, and every forum under the sun has tools and extensions to help with this. Fucking 4chan has code specifically dedicated to deal with CSAM. You have no clue what you're talking about.
Replace this with [email protected], or [email protected], or [email protected]. "Oh no, users can't read the entire site" yes that is the definition of the end of the site.
You're not seeing that this isn't a lemmyshitpost issue, it's an "any popular community on lemmy" issue. Snarkily taking potshots at lemmyshitpost as a community doesn't change it.
It's not "not an option", it's the last resort. It's like saying that your only option to seeing a roach in your apartment is to burn the whole building down. Because doing it means you don't have a community anymore, and without communities the site has no purpose.
Are you being intentionally dense or do you not understand that it's my point? If someone can flood lemmy with CSAM so easily that the only way to stop it is a site shutdown, then there are not sufficient mitigation measures in place.
it's true, if I remember correctly, tumblr was removed from the App Store because of CSA issues. I could be remembering wrong and maybe it was the Google Play Store.
Yeah, I fully agree with that. If people want porn, they should go to porn sites.
have you ever talked to janitors and mods on 4chan? Good luck getting any info out of them.
I'm not the other person you responded to and I never claimed to have an apps or links.
I'm just telling you how this works on 4chan. I'm aware that's not the entire internet obviously - your sarcasm needs work considering we are both here on Lemmy, ie, not 4chan.
If anyone on there is using these programs/apps/whatever, they're not just gonna tell other people about them.
And as far as I know, I haven't been on 4chan in like 3 years not but they region ban for CSAM.
I agree with you on this. I agree with a lot of things you're saying.
part of responding means you know who you are talking to. I know it can be easy to forget someone is behind the screen here but there are in fact other human beings responding to you.
Just try to be more considerate, if anything.