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I think for a lot of people it’s about having some place to go during the day that they don’t have to pay for. If someone is unable to work a regular minimum wage job but is able to do simple tasks it could be either be stay at home and do nothing everyday or having either the government or the family pay for care. This allows a company to provide the supervision and a place for safe social interaction. People in these programs get to feel like an actual member of society rather than just a burden on their family. They can have something to do all day and come home and talk about their day at work instead of what they watched on TV. It’s unfortunate that they can’t provide enough value to justify a company to pay minimum wage but at least this way they get to have some money to help their family with bills or spend on their hobbies.
There are volunteer positions for anyone wanting to simply just do something through the day.
If EMPLOYERS want to have these people on staff, they should pay them. Period. We give people minimum wage regardless of their job. Whether a toilet scrubber, trash handler, or floor mopping person, these are all jobs worthy of minimum wage.
If a job needs to be done and they need to hire someone to do it, that person should get minimum wage, regardless of who it is, what their situation is, etc.
If companies really want relief about this stuff, maybe they should lobby for the wages that they spend on differently capable persons to be offset with a tax break or something..... Let that person go home with a full paycheque. Twisting this into doing everyone a favor for giving those people something to do, is the same mentality that was used to enslave entire races. People literally thought that some races didn't have the intellectual capability to handle their business, so by enslaving them, we were doing them a favor. The justification was always insane, they thought that by providing the bare minimum of food for their table and a space to sleep, they were entitled to own that person. It's fucked up.
Now we're trying to justify paying them less or not at all because they operate different to NT people?
.... I'm sorry, that's a twisted and toxic perspective.
I really doubt volunteering fills the same need. They want to feel like they're contributing something back to the family that is taking care of them. They want (and deserve) a paycheck for their work.
And the problem is companies don't want them compared to a neurotypical employee for the same wages.
So? Companies would rather not pay anyone anything. They can stuff it and pay everyone fairly.
Then these people simply won't get hired...
Volunteering is generally very limited when it comes to for-profit organizations. aside from "work experience" and some "intern" type jobs, taking work for no pay is rare outside of not-for-profit orgs.
Often, Volunteers are on a very temporary basis, usually a day or two, very infrequently. Even interns or work experience programs are time-limited, and an employer either needs to hire that person properly, or let them go when the time runs out.
AFAIK, you can't be a permanent full-time volunteer. I mean, you can just show up and help out if you want, but it would only be of your own volition to do so; and I don't think anyone in their right mind would stick around generating profit for someone else for a protracted period of time, just because they can.
Normalizing that, by not paying disabled workers is not the right move. I think we agree on that. At the same time, we can't really eliminate volunteer jobs. I do a non-trivial amount of volunteering, and there's a good number of things, like fundraisers, that would likely collapse or be very ineffectual if we did away with volunteering entirely.... Fact is, nobody should be given volunteering as their only option for work; especially long-term.