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Name one example....
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Israel is a lot of things. A puppet state is not one of them.
oh? you mean they don't actually need the billions the US has sent and continues to send every year?
Getting foreign aide is not the definition of a puppet. Sorry youβre struggling with basic terms.
yeah i figured as much.. reddit troll bot army away
You should relax. Not into going on the Internet to fight you, and get into a name calling match. Just here to have a discussion. Cheers.
They're just a troll.
Can you please stop calling users reddit trolls? It undermines the conversation and alienates any user from your viewpoint. It would be more helpful for all of us, including you, if you were to address the topic rather than attack a user's character. If you arguments are sound, then they will hold weight among the rest of us the read them. The voting tool will help with that.
Of course, some trolls are going to come out, but those tend to be evident because they don't argue in good faith and use logical fallacies such as ad hominem attacks. I'm all for hearing different perspectives, so I would be happy to hear your viewpoints.
Germany has us nukes. Not that we are a puppet state, but it is undeniable that the US has stationed them in bases around the world.
Germany is in the American sphere of influence and has opted to sacrifice much of its economy for US interests against Russia.
Y'all are pretty puppety when push comes to shove.
Sacrifice "much" of its economy? Isn't that a little exaggerated?
No it's going pretty badly. The energy price spike took out a ton of industry that is very unlikely to come back. If the current state of things is maintained it will just be a large loss. If similar shocks hit a few more times they'd be looking at deindustrialization.
Which tons of industry have been took out? The energy spike is over. I think all energy costs are now higher than the day before the invasion.
UK, France and Israel. Previously the US had nuclear weapons stationed in Japan and South Korea.
Those aren't puppet states
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puppet_state#Recent_and_current_examples
All of Europe works as puppet states to the US, it doesn't matter what the official book says because if they would say it out loud then Europe would realise they are being dragged into collapse by the Empire. The same can be said of Israel, you will not hear US officials admitting it, but they maintain good relations because Israel is a key political figure to keep a level of destabilisation in West Asia, Europe fulfils the same role but to control Russia.
Or they just have reasonably aligned interests and you've completely misunderstood the concept of a puppet state.
Or Belarus has a reasonably aligned interest and you've completely misunderstood the concept of a puppet state.
At least we can agree that one of us is hilariously incorrect.
They're all vassals owned by the US and they do as the US bids them to do. That much should be obvious to absolutely everyone by now..
The US has a strong economic influence, but those countries still have sovereignty and can have disagreements. Lukashenko has no option but to obey Putin or he'll be dead.
If you want to know what happens to sovereign countries that step out of line with the US, just look to Libya (highest HDI in Africa to bombed out husk with open slave markets) once it gave up its nukes at US request or Japan in the 90s (dared to have too competitive of an economy, was fiscally destroyed via US financial policy) or Iraq (US-supported against Iran, then targeted for destruction because it opposed being a US client state).
To be an enemy of the US is dangerous. To be an ally is lethal. European leaders are aware of how destructive the US and US-based transnational capital can be. They know how the system works and why their imports are so cheap. Now they're helping the US deindustrialize themselves, which would be counter to any sustainable base of power and economic position without some other leverage (generally sopaking, economic and military threat to everyone else).