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What is your ideal urban / village like? (lemmy.ca)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'm in Toronto Canada and it's a very car dependent landscape unfortunately and honestly I'm a little jealous seeing European places and how nice they are with their rich history. Meanwhile here in Ontario we have quadruple-carriageways and stroads lined with strip malls and big-box stores with their expansive parking lots. Unless you're with friends, going outside can be pretty bleak to the eye.

My ideal town would be as such

a car-free and dense downtown area with rowhouses and condo units above cafes and shops
lots of trees and greenery
traditional architectural design

What would you think for yours?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, people who like cars have more in common with people who hate cars than people who hate cars think.

If we weren't forced to drive vehicles, we wouldn't have to buy a commuter car. We could just buy the sports car we really want and drive on empty roads. Nobody wants to sit in traffic.

Not everyone owns a bike though. Creating bike lanes (for me), is the same thing as having too many car lanes - it benefits a subset of people who own that mode of transportation. Having sidewalks where people can walk (or get pushed if they need a wheelchair) benefits everyone. Having modes of mass transportation help /everyone/.

In a city I used to live, they cannibalized road lanes for bike lines. However, the majority of people who frequent the city still drive cars. This makes the city worse for the majority of people and better for just some people. If we had mass transportation, it would benefit everyone and give people a viable alternative to cars into downtown.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Creating bike lanes (for me), is the same thing as having too many car lanes - it benefits a subset of people who own that mode of transportation

Bicycle lanes benefit car drivers: every bicycle on a bike lane removes one car and one bicycle from the road. Bike lanes take much less space and maintenance than car lanes.

They also benefit people who use transit, as they reduce transit ridership during peak hours.

With bike lanes pedestrians don't have to suffer as many bicycles in the sidewalk, as fewer cyclists are scared of riding elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bike lanes benefit car drivers if and only if bike lanes encourages more bikes. Taking away one entire car lane to put two not often used bike lanes benefits nobody - and that is the case in the city I cited.

I'm all for infrastructure improvements, I just don't think bike lanes is the way to go. Perhaps once mass transit is introduced, we can reduce car lanes for bike lanes, but I don't believe the area I used to live is at that stage yet.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

In practice, transit only works in sufficiently dense neighborhoods. It is either not economical or not frequent enough in typical North American suburbs. Bike lanes work in suburbia: you place them in roads where the speed and frequency of car traffic is currently discouraging would-be cyclists.

Bike lanes cost pennies and you offen don't need to take any car lanes away because you can simply paint the existing car lanes a little narrower.