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Electric cars are to save automobile industry profits. Not the planet.
If you want to save the planet, then ride a bicycle.
Sounds great if you don't have to commute many miles 2 times per day in an area with no public transit.
All just to keep the roof over your head
Two failures do not make a right.
The point above stands. EVs do little for the environment. Compared to sensible options like transit and biking and walking they are marginally better, but hm hardly at all.
They reduce emissions in a neighborhood, in driveways and such, and they reduce sound pollution, which is great for local creatures.
They shift power generation to more efficient platforms, rather than messy, poorly maintained gas engines.
Battery production and recycling is a major issue.
For those who cannot walk or bike, an affordable ev is a great choice
You’re just reiterating my points. Yes they are better. And for people without a choice living in car dependent he’ll holes - an improvement.
But the fact that you live in a car dependent he’ll hole is another failure of our society - and prevents you from using much better options.
We should be addressing the root cause. Not the symptom.
In functional societies, EVs are a small improvement. The noise and carcinogen pollution, land use impact and simple danger to soft street users are key damages ALL cars make to spaces occupied by people.
Finally - I am tired of “we need cars for those with impairments / to reliever things / other bullshit.” We do not. It’s just the completely broken car-dependent American perspective.
Lol, we agree more than you think, but your despising incremental progress gets you nowhere. "But it isn't progress! It's not going the way I want it to go!" Sorry but you're looking down the barrel of decades worth of small changes to get to any American future you're seeking.
America is a big place, with many differing environments, governments, and needs. They aren't all going to "get there" in unison, or in a hurry.
In the mean time, quit shaming people trying to benefit their local system, and trying to conduct their lives in the way they see best, while keeping their gone and feeding their family.
When I see a Prius driving around I know that could have been a misused ferd f-teen thousand truck, which lives it's life commuting and getting groceries. I'll take the Prius.
Yeah the long commute is of course an immuteable fact of life and cannot be changed
Yes, for many it cannot. For many job shopping is a luxury.
What they were implying with their statement was that your life was made to be this way by the decisions of dead capitalists who caused infrastructure and the way we live our lives to be this way so that they could make money
Housing laws caused suburban sprawl which has been worsened, at least in the US, by utterly foolish parking minimum laws. Thats why you have a commute like this, because cars were forced on us instead of trains, biking, and walking.
Ew hexbear.
LOL
I'm thinking societal changes not individualist ones. Think bigger, who the fuck enjoys a long commute?
Original comment I replied to said "save the planet, ride a bicycle" and my reply related to that.
I'd love a combination teleporter/blowjob machine but for now a shorter commute would be a treat
This is achievable though is my point
For many, job shopping is a luxury, and moving is a very high cost.
You're expressing a privileged opinion.
That's ok, we all have them, but what seems logical and obvious to some, is a simple impossibility to others.
Why are you so into solving this on an individualist basis, I made it pretty clear I'm talking societal changes here
Because individuals buy and use cars, and the original comment I replied to implored commuters not to use evs and adopt a public transit /bike only lifestyle.
My comment discussed the pressures of life on the individual.
Yeah if you really want to interpret it that way, it's just a slogan man
True, but given the right government policy the provision of high quality, high speed, highly affordable public transport very much can be changed.
Seems to me like having to drive many miles to maintain a job that can pay enough to maintain your fairly far afield home (assuming the home costs less because it's not in the same geography as the office) is a failure of the system as a whole and the company for not making their office work better for their workers.
I mean, unless you have a storefront or regularly have to go to specific places as part of your job, like lawyers going to the court house, then why tf does the company pay for very expensive offices in the middle of a metro area? Put the offices where the workers can actually live near it.
I work in IT, I go to the office to stare at a PC for 8 hours. Something I can literally do anywhere, but instead of IDK, working from home or having distributed offices spaces so people don't have to drive as far, my companies only office is in the middle of a major Metro's downtown in a high rise office for a massive amount of money. So now I have to pay, out of my pocket and time, to drive through downtown traffic, to a parking spot that costs me far too much monthly, so I can simply be physically there to do a job that only requires a PC and an internet connection.
It's all fucking stupid.... And every company seems to do this. Nobody ever comes to our offices and there's literally no reason for them to be where they are, or for me to be there.
... or walk?
Fewer CO2 emissions is a good goal if you are going to buy a car. Keeping it as long as possible is a better goal.
Both have their role. Walking is appropriate for local short trips, while bicycles allow you to cover more distance, and is in turn superseded by transit in potential distance covered, while still being a low emissions mode of transportation.
If the infrastructure allows for it where you live, going car-free is an even better goal for reducing CO2-emissions, and is only one of a long list of benefits of not traveling by car.
Barring that, voting and influencing politicians that can build infrastructure enabling more car-free lives is a good step in the right direction.
Hard to carry a TV on a bicycle, or transport loads to the recycling centre, or drop my kids off at school or any one of a thousand things that occur day to day.
Our world redesigned itself with the invention of cars. Trying to exist without them is very hard for your average family, especially those who live outside cities.
If you live in a backwards place this may be so. I can do all of those things without a car.
It's a town of 90k people. The kind of town that the vast majority of people in the UK live in.
Just out of curiosity how can you transport something large and bulky, that isn't allowed on public transport, let's say furniture, or the remains of a shed you dismantled or any one of a hundred inconvenient loads that occur during your life without a car?
Ever heard of cargo bikes? I just own a trailer and that bad boy can carry so much shit, I am amazed every time I use it.
Carsharing or you call a transport company. You don't actually need to own a car.
Someone needs to own a car still.
And that someone can't be available every day when I need to do two school runs and an office trip.
That someone can't always be available when the sink springs a leak and I need to go buy some new washers and plumber's mait.
I really question your life experience at this point. If you're single, childless and living in a big city, sure, cars are very unnecessary. For most people this isn't the case
Listen I think if you have to carry furniture and shed remains to the school and office daily I don't think transportation options is the real problem
how often do you seriously carry a tv? and believe it or not, most kids can ride a bike, or even walk!
Great, well I have a six year old that needs to get to his school which is about a mile and a half away and I need to get to work 20 mins after which is about three miles in the other direction.
I then also need to do his pickup during my lunch break.
Most people's lives don't work without a car because that's not the society that car ownership created.