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Oh yeah that worked so well for them in 1997 and 2014. Did people forget that peace negotiations have happened before and russia has broken the agreement every time?
Why would Ukraine or anyone for that matter take anything the russian federation says as not a lie? Also I think that in this case it would be stupid for Ukraine to allow russia any ability to regroup.
NATO broke the 1997 pact when it bombed Yugoslavia in 1999, in violation of the UN Charter.
In 2014 Ukraine's legitimate government was overthrown by the Euromaidan coup.
Before you screech your revisionist history at me, answer this: are you willing to fight this war until no one is left?
NATO is not Ukraine (yet), that makes about as much sense as say China getting to invade Iran because the UAE bombed north korea.
I would think popular uprisings like in 2014 against rich oligarch rule would be more up your alley. Really though that also does not work as much of an excuse to invade another nation state.
I think my screeching is quite pleasant compared to whatever mental gymnastics are needed to eat what you are selling.
Oh and as I said above, Ukraine gets to make the call on when they are willing to stop fighting. Not myself, not you.
"Popular uprisings"
i.e. western backed color revolution
Ukraine isn't allowed to make that call. If they do, America will stop supporting them.
Yes, clearly the mass protests and large scale political movement was just a ruse by the US, because as we all know somehow everything ever is always the US.
The mass protests were legitimate (though fueled by Western media to some extent), but the government buckling was absolutely not. There was a lot more going on then just "people protest -> government collapses" lol
Yeah they are called "elections" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_presidential_election
Viktor Yanukovych, the legitimately elected president who had not resigned and had not been impeached, was unconstitutionally removed from power before that because he was forced to flee the country and parliament saw an opportunity to ~~make a lot of money~~ cozy up to the EU with a trade pact. Those elections had no constitutional basis, but we don't care about that because Russia bad.
Well russia could not be that bad, at least not to Viktor. https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/3312452-yanukovych-kupyl-dom-v-barvykhe-za-52-mln-rossyiskyi-polytyk