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The memes of the climate
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We may disagree on these points but it should be obvious that there's plenty of opposition to your preferred system in the majority of the modern world. That's why insisting on radical change as a precursor to action is counter productive to actual mitigation of climate effects. Even if you are right about the system being less effective at environmentalism, you are hiring the efforts to do something about the issue now and drastic action is needed.
That same tension existed in regards to national parks, CFCs, water management, wildlife management, waste management, and many other issues. What makes you think climate is any different other than bigger?
All of that was implemented while the USSR was still around. Without the boogyman around to scare capitalists into reforming themselves and implementing sustainable business practices, they won't do it. That's why we've been seeing all those Cold War era reforms eroded one after another, there's just no need to placate the masses.
Maybe climate change can be the boogyman that the USSR was. It doesn't seem to be working, though.
I don't think it was the USSR that was the motivation behind it, at least the ones during that period. It might've been more the hatred of cities, cancer, disease, and pests respectively. I will admit, giving the USSR credit for the environmental movement in the US is a creative and new one for me. You are off by about 25 years there for the beginning but it's close.
The USSR deserves credit for pretty much every good idea the US has ever had since the New Deal.
And now that the USSR is gone, everything good the US has ever done is being eroded by fascists.
Makes you think!
No, that was me. I take credit for it all. No autonomy for anyone.
Ideas are great. Execution begets prosperity.
It has nothing to do with autonomy!
The US only implemented reforms to placate the working class and stop them from getting any ideas of revolution. The Cold War was an ideological war, so once the USSR fell the spectre of revolution was gone. The Cold War "proved" that communism doesn't work and there will never be a global proletarian revolution and there's no need to placate the masses to keep them passive.
So, like I keep saying, that's why everything good is being destroyed. They believe it's not necessary because the threat of communist revolution is gone. The illusion of democracy is gone, now the ruling class can just do whatever it wants with no consequences.
Who cares if climate change kills the poors?
I'm sorry to break it to you but not everything is about your oppressive communist revolution. Not any more than any other historical counter to the liberal world. Don't go through the world thinking everything is about what you care about.
All the hammer sees is nails.