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@ernest While umbrella plattforms are great, if you want to think in the longterm, I wager this is something you might want to evaluate a bit. People may dissagree, but I think that in the longterm the fediverse will look much more like email, being a ecosystem of single providers, instead of a plattform consisting of many sub-providers, although there probably will always be space for it.
Umbrella platforms are great if you don't have a lot of infrastructure and capital as you can get a lot of horizontal growth without having to invest in it yourself. But in the long term this is a battle for the one big forum provider, the place people will go to have reddit-style groups in the fediverse. If you are smart and want to beat Lemmy to the dust I'd just push donations, and really build Kbin.social and make that your whole thing.
This is also way better for new people that are not familiar with the fediverse and instances, checking out Kbin.pub, which will make the onboarding that much more efficient than your competitiors.
This is also the direction Mastodon is going, and later also where Pixelfed is going, after I've pestered him for years.
Don't waste your time and jump over all the hoops. Kbin has so much potential, and going as the opensource hotmail/gmail "reddit" of the fediverse is the future! B-)
Anyway, I have great faith in you Earnest no matter how you do it. Go rock the world!
Allow me to be the first.
This is exactly the opposite of the value proposition of the Fediverse. It's going from the internet being 5 websites to the internet bring 5 other websites. It's merely and change in ownership, and that should be avoided at the ideological level.
This is weird corporate monopolist thinking, and it's a fucking mind virus. Lemmy doesn't need to be beaten. The Fediverse is fundamentally a cooperative exercise, and deciding that some other piece of software needs to be crushed to dust is not healthy for that exercise.
We don't need that shit here. None of this needs to wholesale replace corporate social media. It doesn't need 3 billion users to succeed. We shouldn't want it to look and behave like the purposefully toxic spaces, and we don't need to behave like the sociopaths that run them.
@Kichae I must say that I am really suprised this is the one that has the most upvotes. I know most people come from Reddit and are like super internett nerds. But it is pretty disheartening at this is where the Kbin community is at.
I still have hope for the network, but it also attracts the worst kind of people to associate with as well. be it super right-wing people, or super anti-capitalist people, even like antisemetic, genocide denying tankies like the two devs of Lemmy, never touching grass and living in their own bubble, and the worst part, just really fumbling at everything they do, even as things manage to go their way.
I've been a part of the fediverse movement since the start, but it's sad to give so much and build so much for it to end up into this. Particurarly when I have personally put so much sweat and tears into it myself.
@ernest
You're sounding like you're pushing for the Fediverse to be an open source mirror of what already exists. Centralized in practice, and apparently at war with itself.
I can't imagine why you'd think replicating systems that are already abusive would be the way forward. Replacing the masters does not fix the fact that the system itself is toxic.
It's the nature of sites that use upvoting and downvoting concepts, upvote and downvote is toxic. Downvote especially. Talk about people who dislike replacing bad systems the corporations made, the toxic voting system these sites use is now being carried over to the fediverse. It exploits the bad parts of human behavior and makes the systems worse.
I've disagreed with this when Youtube made the dislike change and I'll disagree with it now.
Upvotes/downvotes may not be needed in opinion pieces, but they are pretty necessary for any educational/scientific/news/tutorial etc. content to filter out the factually wrong answers so removing those will inevitably lead to misinformation being spread around. So in that context, an upvote/downvote system actually adds value.
It may be toxic in some instances, but there's really no better simple alternative (the only one I can think of would be extreme moderation, but that's a whole other can of worms).