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I genuinely hope something will come out of this, but knowing the slowness and reactive approach of European institutions I don't have any hope.
Rather than talk, it would make much more sense to hold a formal conference after achieving results in agreed upon behind the scenes negotiations. Something along the lines of:
I recognize that this may sound unrealistic, but most (all?) geopolticial achievements/breakthroughs/realignments were done with courage and a desire to win. Not "bla bla" or "but what about this or that".
EU is slow because it respects the participation of everyone and followa due process and we don't have a structure who would facilitate an authoritarian taking charge
Kaliningrad belongs to Russia. We respect international borders. By suggesting anything is up for the taking if you just have the military to do it you support putlers worldview. Please don't do that.
Next you want everything west of Gdańsk to be Germany again?
Then you surely also want to support a Polish invasion of what today is western Ukraine, since it is occupied Poland in your eyes?
What a load of bullshit.
The Oder-Neiße line is absolute. Please don't call that place by its anachronistic historic German name.
Yeah, i am getting mayor Reich revisionst vibes too. Calling Kaliningrad "occupied" means to also consider western Poland to be occupied Germany and western Ukraine to be occupied Poland.
This kind of revisionist talk is not helping central Europe, quite the contrary.