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I feel like these conversations also fight the ideas of the inherent impurity of the systems. Capitalism on its own just doesn't exist because its beneficial for govt to collect from the masses and provide some degree of common good such as infrastructure.

On the flip are the communists who believe they can completely throw out all of the ideas of capitalism and competition. It gets hard to even make the point of the "market place of ideas" where people are competing within a controlled system for things like the prestige of the best idea that outcompetes the rest. There have to be drivers for action and money is simply the easiest carrot.