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This is a great take! It's very close to what I was getting at, yeah.
I think Loki being good now was rushed, but isn't entirely unbelievable given that Loki does tend to turn good every so often anyway. But even if he does decide to be the good guy for a bit, he's still Loki — like you said, we're expecting "trademark grandiosity, sick fight scenes, and surprise turnarounds," and we didn't really get that, I totally agree.
One of the scenes that frustrated me in the show was when Loki got kicked off the train on Lamentis. First of all you'd think he'd be way too powerful to lose to train security, even drunk, but you can handwave the power levels for whatever reason; more importantly, it just felt like a dumb move so the plot could happen. I thought he might have some kind of plan behind what he was doing, but it seemed like he didn't, unless I missed a reveal somewhere?
Lamentis is by far my least favorite episode. It has some pretty moments (his visually pleasing use of magic, the dance party), but nothing about that was either one of them being in control of absolutely anything.
And you're right, they're supposed to be the god that has the plan. Watching not just one but both of them run around like chickens with their heads cut off and lament (har har) their fate while everything they try repeatedly fails was original but annoying. The writers need to be pushing way harder into underdog than kicked puppy. Hopefully, now that they've got the Character Development ™ out of the way, they'll do that.
Also...what was the thing where he stops a building from falling with his mind? What was that? Where did that go? He's never done that before, to my knowledge, it's not really his kind of power. He never does it again. Nobody talks about it. He just lifted the larger half of a skyscraper by thinking at it, which is again visually cool, but I'm sorry?
Yes, exactly. I'm perfectly happy to watch fun characters semi-competently flounder through time and space (I enjoyed Legends of Tomorrow), but I feel like there are other characters that would be more suited to that kind of thing. Sylvie especially should be in her element, she's supposed to be a major thorn in the TVA's side since she was a child, which should be a significant feat. But she doesn't really seem to know what she's doing any more than our Loki does, and that's already less than you'd think he should.
I'd almost forgotten about the building thing; when I first watched it I thought it might be a hint that the whole situation was an illusion — Loki was tricking Sylvie, or Sylvie was tricking Loki, or someone else was tricking them both, and that would explain all the oddness — but that wasn't at all the case in the end. I had all these theories about what at least one of the Lokis might be planning and they never paid off. It's almost as bad as when Evan Peters' Quicksilver turned out to just be a guy named Ralph Bohner.
Th...that would have been amazing. And it would have totally worked. I have been robbed 😭
Sylvie is more in control than he is, but that really isn't amounting to all that much. You could say Loki's intervention has thrown a wrench in every plan, but uncertainty is still her entire sphere. The one good thing to come out of it was watching them try and fail to trick each other. This was one of the things I most enjoyed and it really didn't go on as much or as long as it should have because the writers needed to ship them in a manner that didn't have to be as obvious as they wanted it.
Two Lokis feels like a definite case for a slow burn. Nothing so attractive as a whole season spent unable to outwit or outperform yourself, which would build more of a semi-respectful rivalry of the two, but they made it obvious 2-3 episodes in. It's not awful, but it's heavyhanded.
To be honest I still find their whole romantic situation a bit weird. Not just that they're variants of each other and so are probably genetically related, but also that I didn't think Loki really needed to get into a relationship in the first place.
It's almost hard to remember why I actually liked the show at this point. I do think Tom Hiddleston is a good actor who does a good job putting himself into the role, which is one of the most important things about a show for me; some of these shows you can tell the actors are phoning it in and it kills the vibe. But the more I think about the writing choices the more I find them... questionable.
I'm hoping that they'll learn from the reactions to the more recent shows and movies, and put less effort into setting up a Kang war or whatever and just have Loki do more Loki stuff.