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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thats an exaggeration of what i said but i guess in context of historical denialism it is a fair nuance to also mention. In a way your own versions of events denies the gradual escalation of evil. They did not Start with gas chambers.

This is my point more nuanced.

The Anne Frank family had lived to trough systemic suppression.

They witnessed and experienced the racism and hatred.

Deportations happend out in the open

But that is pretty close to where we are today!

Jews did not hide out of fear of gas chambers but out of fear of deportation or arrest. Just like today.

Overtime it became an open secret that deportation was very likely death. But you are still surrounded by propaganda. The exact details and extend of the real cruelty where hidden.

Looking it up: the Frank family went into hiding in July 1942. In Oktober that year Anne describes in her diary a rumor on the radio about jews being gassed. They did not wait for that escalation to hide, they started before.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I appreciate you coming back and giving nuance to your comment, thank you for that.
If you describe facts, would you kindly provide sources of where you encountered them? That makes it a lot easier to have a facts-based discussion :)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My source is actually slightly complex and non English but the actual source my source has it from is the actually diary.

The full extract can be found here:

https://alphahistory.com/holocaust/anne-frank-diary-1942-44/

October 9th 1942: “Today I have nothing but dismal and depressing news to report. Our many Jewish friends and acquaintances are being taken away in droves. The Gestapo is treating them very roughly and transporting them in cattle cars to Westerbork, the big camp in Drenthe to which they’re sending all the Jews. Miep told us about someone who’d managed to escape from there. It must be terrible in Westerbork. The people get almost nothing to eat, much less to drink, as water is available only one hour a day, and there’s only one toilet and sink for several thousand people. Men and women sleep in the same room, and women and children often have their heads shaved. Escape is almost impossible; many people look Jewish, and they’re branded by their shorn heads. If it’s that bad in Holland, what must it be like in those faraway and uncivilised places where the Germans are sending them? We assume that most of them are being murdered. The English radio says they’re being gassed. Perhaps that’s the quickest way to die. I feel terrible. Miep’s accounts of these horrors are so heartrending… Fine specimens of humanity, those Germans, and to think I’m actually one of them! No, that’s not true, Hitler took away our nationality long ago. And besides, there are no greater enemies on earth than the Germans and Jews.”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Nice, thank you!