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The whole blackout things feels like a kid trying to hold their breath until they get their own way. Reddit corp doesn't care and I expect the moderation of major subs to get handed over to people willing to work with their system.
If the mods are correct in saying they can’t moderate through the first party app, let alone removing the bot mods I kind of get their point. For the larger subs moderation is going to become untenable.
The CEO said the mod tools and bots would still have free access to the API so I'm not sure where they're coming from with that argument tbh
The ceo has outright lied this whole time. Said one thing to the Apollo dude, the said another publicly. When the Apollo dude shared the recording to prove this the Reddit ceo cracked the shits saying he shouldn’t have recorded it totally ignoring it shows he lied.
Lying about a business dealing with a third party and lying about the future functionality of his own website is a slightly different kettle of fish imo. The mods are cracking a tanty over something they have been told won't happen. Why wouldn't you wait until it does happen before shutting things down? Makes no sense.
Respectfully disagree with you there. Lying is lying. Calls to attention a lack of integrity. And and as a vision enabled person I’m kind of stoked to see the community sticking up for the disabled. I get why people are pissed. But as far as hills to die on goes, this is a noble one.
yeah I feel like that's not the crux of the protest though, just a nice way to stifle criticism of their chosen course of action.
It might have started as mods trying to protest reddit, but reddit has only made the situation look worse for themselves. Objections are smoothed over with frantic last-second assurances that apps that provide accessibility or mod tools will continue to have free API access - It's hard to take those at face value when they are only provided now, and not while the changes were being announced (and no delays to the api change rollout)
On top of that, reddit's dishonesty in the AMA didn't help at all, and the leaked emails really show that the CEO doesn't view a significant portion of reddit's users as valuable or meaningful stakeholders. It might have started as one thing, but reddit's reaction has really turned it into another - they clearly don't give a shit about their users, so until reddit demonstrates they do protests are likely to continue on many reddits. Their lack of good faith during this whole situation has probably turned off many people who wouldn't have otherwise cared that much.
I guess we'll know in 2 weeks when the API charges come in. One side of this is going to look very silly.
I feel more for those who are disabled who need tools like Apollo to be able to navigate throughout the site. It's bare minimum but people really don't give a flying frick against disabled people.