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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (20 children)

So, regarding your distaste for genocide—you, uh...might want to read up on Tiananmen Square and the Uyghurs.

Also, I notice you didn't mention any Fediverse (or other) alternatives. I'm not going to make any accusations, but what you wrote sounds a lot like astroturfing.

If your ultimate goal is to say, "Fuck the US," fine, but if what you really want to say is, "Fuck capitalists and authoritarians," you're going about it all wrong. What you're essentially saying is that you'd rather be punched by this other guy just because it's not the one you hate. Meanwhile, you don't have to be punched at all.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (17 children)

China is and has committed genocide.

The US is and has committed genocide.

That's not a point in either's favor. That's a moral wash.

I'd rather both nations failed, so something more humane can potentially take its place (and revolution over and over until that happens) but as an American, rejecting China means nothing, just as a Chinese citizen rejecting America means nothing.

Rejecting evil empires begins with undermining the one that you're expected to support and be a loyal cog of. A Russian openly hating America or a Chinese person openly hating Russia is indistinguishable from patriotism/nationalism.

I can only hurt one empire materially, the one I materially live within. The Chinese have to reign in China, and the Russians Russia. The best I can do is my part not to strengthen or support the evil empire I was born under to the best of my ability.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea -3 points 1 week ago (10 children)

That’s not a point in either’s favor. That’s a moral wash.

Ok, you're either trolling or been fed a lot of misinformation. The problem is about recency and extensiveness, and China is worse on both.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The USA has killed orders of magnitudes more people in the last few years. Just, objectively.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 0 points 1 week ago

Source?

The problem with the Uyghurs in China is less about deaths and more about cultural genocide. They've been rounded up and jailed en-masse (estimates are upwards of a million people), threatened, surveilled, etc, all to force them to submit and abandon their cultural heritage. It's pretty similar in scope to the Japanese Internment in the US, but much larger in scope and with a much more nefarious goal.

I obviously don't have hard figures on the actual death toll (not sure anyone does, as China doesn't seem interested in disclosing it), but again, regardless of whether it's higher or lower than whatever you'll attribute to the US, the worst part here is forced cultural assimilation, or in other words, psychological violence (i.e. punishing "wrong thing").

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