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[–] [email protected] 83 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (13 children)

Is this really an article saying heat pumps are more efficient than resistive heaters? Yes, that is why heat pumps exist.

The biggest issue is the battery itself. If it gets cold enough you can have difficulty even charging an EV outdoors. I would be a lot more concerned with whether or not my battery is well insulated and heated. Heat pumps are great and should be the default, but unless you're going really far or have a very low range EV it's not a huge issue.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes, resistive heat is expensive, but that's only part of what makes heat pumps in cars more effective. They don't just heat your cabin, they heat your battery so you maintain range while it's cold out. Here's an article with more details and some pretty infographics.

[–] anomnom 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The heat pumps also preheat the battery so it can charge in extreme cold.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (41 children)

It defintely is a huge issue, considering resistive heaters use 3x as much energy. Most EVs have a "low range" and anything you can do increase it without adding more batteries and weight and cost, especially in winter, is a huge advantage.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You still need resistive heat as heatpumps don't work below about -20C and those temperatures happen to at least some car buyers.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

heatpumps don't work below about -20C

I don't think that's true? There are cold weather models that can work at COPs > 1.5 at -30C. Are we talking about a sizing constraint for the model here, perhaps?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Im in one of those places but where im at its rare and at this point I will resist leaving the house pretty massively at those temps.

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