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[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

If you steal, it's not a name, it's a definition.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

stealing has a specific definition. I'm not stealing.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Taking things or using resources without paying the expected price. So theft. Tsk Tsk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

there is no expected price to watch a YouTube video

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

saying it doesn't make it true

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Keep saying that, maybe one day you'll believe it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

your accusation of bad faith is, itself bad faith

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I'm guessing you feel like a bit of a mug for paying your hard earned money to faceless mega wealthy corporation so you want to believe that people who skip the ads without needlessly paying Google are stealing.

Well, they're not. They're just skipping ads.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

So stealing is defined (in some states) as taking property with the intent to permanently deprive the owner of the property. So you're incorrect and [email protected] might be breaking YouTube's terms and condition not the law, and it's not theft.

If Google were paying the content creators anything even remotely resembling the kind of income from advertisers the content earns, I might have a shred of sympathy for them losing a tiny bit of advertising revenue if some user watches a video without watching the same three ads they've seen ten times already that day.

You're spending a lot of time and effort defending one of the richest corporations in the world. It's weird.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You’re spending a lot of time and effort defending one of the richest corporations in the world. It’s weird.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think my friend with a small growing channel, and the dozens of creators I enjoy are all so rich, but good to know.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You know full well that Google is charging content creators way, way over their costs, even if they qualify for the more lucrative partner programs (most don't - the long tail - and those who do are the better off YouTubers), exploiting their monopoly position to extract money to an unfair extent from both content creators and advertisers.

So, I do think it's weird that you defend one of the richest and financially exploitative corporations on the planet and all your criticism is for me for skipping the annoying and repetative ads and not for the exploitative monopoly corporation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They aren't charging creators, they are paying creators.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The content creators make content using which YouTube/Google earns vast sums of money in advertising. They top slice most of the money for themselves and forward very little of it to the people who worked to create it, so in that sense they change the content creators. They're one of the most profitable companies on the globe. Where does that profit come from? It comes from underpaying content providers. Still don't know why you're defending them. They dropped the "don't be evil" plan and they meant it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

50/50 for 100% of the tech work. I find it fair. Float plane is very open about the hosting costs. Bandwidth is EXPENSIVE.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They're not spending ANYTHING like 50% on the tech work. Reminder: one of the most profitable companies on the globe. The huge profit comes from the HUGE gap between their costs and their income. So no, it's not proportionate at all, and it's gullible for anyone to pay them to reduce ads when they could block them for free.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

That's like your opinion, man. In any case they are not charging creators, they are paying creators. Whether it's profitable, just, fair, or whatever, it's beside the point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

PS: Has it occurred to you that I'm defending the workers that earn a living on the platform and are hurt by stealing?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Has put occurred to you that young impressionable minds are hurt by you lying on the Internet that skipping ads is theft or that it hurts people?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, it's the truth. Ad-funded businesses (most creators) guess what, are hurt by blocking ads.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you let the ads play in full, or do you press skip as sin as you can?

Guess what, pressing skip means the advertiser isn't charged and the content creator isn't paid. Far more people press skip than get ad blockers. You should be criticising me for pressing skip, surely! Ad skippers hurt content creators far more!

And IT IS NOT THEFT! None of it is stealing. The outright LIE is that skipping or blocking ads is theft.

I actually don't use an ad blocker, I just skip the ads, and I skip them guilt free, because the majority of content creators aren't in Google's more lucrative partner programs, so Google keeps most of the money, and if their content doesn't qualify for monetisation, Google keeps all of the money from ads on their content.

But I put an ad blocker on my elderly relative's computer because those ads that you keep defending kept tricking her into installing malware, and it's not even slightly illegal and it's not even slightly morally questionable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't see ads because I pay premium.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And you want to make other people feel guilty for skipping ads because it's easy for them to get your experience without paying uber-wealthy corporations, so you try to make out that they stole something? Get off your high horse. Your giving would be far more beneficial if it went to a charity instead of Google.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Nope, for blocking ads. Don't feel bad either, I myself pirated a bunch when I was a teen, for instance. Just intellectual honesty, that's all.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You don't think it's a little hypocritical to call people stealing when they're just skipping ads automatically? You see a huge moral gulf between clicking a button and having a piece of software click the button? You pirated a bunch of stuff when you were a teen and now you're on your moral high horse over someone blocking an ad or 300?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. And I always was open about piracy I was just broke, but I didn't lie.

Many ads are unskippable nowadays.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Skip 'em with an ad blocker for the win. Better experience, and you don't have to pay megacorps with megaprofits your own money.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Skip the cashier in the big box store, same arguments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, because that would be theft - taking something from its owner with the intent to permanently deprive them off ownership. Nothing is removed when you watch a video.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Spoken like someone who has never paid electricity, bandwidth, storage, hardware...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can talk as much crap as you like, watching a video without ads isn't theft.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If it helps you sleep at night, sure buddy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're being a bit weird about this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

About calling a spade a spade?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

You're trying really hard, for days and days, trying to make me feel guilty about skipping ads, and it's just not working. At all. But you persist. It's weird.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't care how you feel, really. Skipping ads and blocking ads is different, btw.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You struggle also with the concept of consent? Smh...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't consent to watching the same ads over and over. I don't consent to them being downloaded onto my computer against my will. You consent, that's fine. You enemies consent to sending the richest corporations on the globe your hard earned cash so you can avoid the same ads I don't want, and they still send you ads. I don't know why you like that stuff, but I don't. I'm in charge of what I do and don't download onto my computer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Then don't watch/read the content. Don't consent Samsung/appke/Walmart getting your money? Don't buy their shit. Ez.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Oh, I consent to the content. Just not to the ads, so I stream the content and my software skips the ads for me automatically. Couldn't be simpler. Puts me in control over what I do and don't download onto my computer. I'm not buying anything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The author doesn't consent to you blocking ads, simple as that. Might consent to skipping. Some. In certain situations.

A shop giving you a free sample of cheese doesn't mean you can fill your pockets with the contents of the cash register.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's my computer, not theirs. Watching a video isn't the same as taking money, you seem to have a lot of confusion on this point.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Again, spoken truly as someone who never paid for bandwidth, storage, compute, power, rent, ac, salaries...