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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

State capitalism isn't communism nor socialism

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (15 children)

The Soviets would have agreed that they hadn't achieved communism but China is an example of state capitalism, not the Soviets. They were socialists, and they were also authoritarians. The means of production were collectively owned.

Whether they were good Marxists when their system created just another oppressive heirarchy is another question, but the richest Soviet kleptocrat wasn't anywhere close to a billionaire as far as I'm aware.

If someone wants to prove otherwise they're welcome to.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

if by "collectively owned" you mean "owned by the government", sure

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, that would be a collective meant to represent the people, good job.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"meant to" is doing some very heavy lifting there, chief

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

If a charity executive embezzles from donations, is the organization no longer a charity?

You can point to the flaws all day, but the means of production were collectively owned. It's what happened after that where things started going wrong.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Actually, it is no longer a charity. It's a scam.

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