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Read the 14th amendment.
Here's section 1 in case anyone wants to read it.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
This is very clear
Inb4 they use that "without due process of law" line to deport people with a judge's nod
I have read the 14th amendment, and so have the people arguing against birthright citizenship as it exists now. Here's what they have to say. Some excerpts:
Presumably you disagree with the Heritage Foundation (I'm quite surprised to find myself agreeing with them here) but they are in fact well-informed about the text of the Constitution, its history, and relevant case law.
Edit: Does tagging people like this work? I don't want to post the same reply multiple times.
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You’re quoting the people who literally wrote the plan on how to usurp democracy and install Trump as a dictator, and holding them up as some kind of reliable expert on what the constitution says.
That's my point. These are the guys who wrote the plan to end birthright citizenship and "read the 14th amendment" doesn't go very far against them because they have. Neither does "the meaning of the 14th amendment is obvious" because they're constitutional lawyers and they're saying it isn't. They may still very well be wrong, but they aren't "ha ha, you haven't even heard of the constitution" wrong.
The original intent of "subject to the jurisdiction of" means areas of the US not under foreign military occupation, or diplomats, and anyone working with diplomats in a diplomatic mission. And probably includes the inside of the embassy/consolate. And maybe the UN building. But it was not supposed to mean anything to do with nationality. And I think "being here illegally" is also very problematic. Like are the enslaved people here "legally"? The 14th amendment was used to give citizenship to enslaved people. Enslaved people aren't considered people in terms of citizenship, and the moment slavery was outlawed, do enslaved people become "illegal immigrants". So are we just gonna remove citizenship from every decendent of an enslaved person in the us?
How do we even know who is here legally and who's not. And what if we found an "illegal" immigrant that entered in the 1900s, are we gonna deport every of their decendents?