Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
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Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
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Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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I wanted to make a post with the same message on !offmychest , but this dude is saying what I wanted to. I'll add this: if the left wants to win, among other things, they shouldn't alienate 50% of their voters. It's that simple.
This focus on "taking down the patriarchy", making fun of "masculine energy", calling everybody they disagree with a "nazi incel", or constantly using the terms "mansplaining" or "toxic masculinity", are not going to win you any points with ~~young~~ men. I'm quite left, but everytime I see a headline with those misandrist words, it's a no-go. It simply won't be read or if it is, it'll get an eye-roll from me. From some, it has already driven them to the right. Me, it makes me vote for parties that have as little misandrist stuff as possible, because I know that parties with that rhetoric and identity-politics will get bogged down in useless, ideological squabbles with other parties.
Yes, equality is a major concern for me, but that goes for everybody, not just women. Considering original Mens Rights Activists as the enemy was one of the critical mistakes of the feminists and leftists. They were raising awareness about how unjust and unfair some parts of society were for men, and instead of connecting and saying "yeah, we feel you, you are also human and have issues", the response was instead "you know nothing about suffering", "you're still privileged", "nothing you ever experience can compare to what women experience", "the movement is anti-women because it's pro-man", etc. For feminists and leftists talking about melting pots, compassion, and empathy, very little of that was felt back then, and it's no surprise that many men who tried to voice their concerns and got shouted down by feminists and leftists instead sought "refuge" in a place where their concerns could be heard.
This is a battle between the haves and the have-nots. We shouldn't be attacking other have-nots that want to be on the same side when they also voice concerns.
The gender wage gap? Buddy, we're all fucking struggling out here. Tax the fucking rich. Tax their wealth, tax their financial transactions, tax the shit out of their inheritance, tax their exit to tax havens, tax their private jets, yachts, houses, everything, introduce staggered percentage fines, invest in education (schools, universities, after-work education), introduce a 4 day work week and 6 weeks of vacation days, house the homeless, introduce universal basic income, and so much more. The better everyone is educated, the more basics people don't have to worry about, the happier and more advanced our civilisations will become. That won't happen if we fight each other because another worker has more "privilege" than you.