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The problem isn't that people voted for Jill Stein. The problem is not enough people voted for Jill Stein.
The left is so broken in this country that we can't even get a candidate to 5%! And yet, we're supposed to stop Trump?
You know what 5% of the electorate could do?
Ensure the GOP loses every general election and participate in primaries to move the Dems to the left.
That's how you make change in our system. Not by throwing away votes.
People have been trying to move the Dems to the left for decades, and look at what we have now.
They've been trying by bitching about the party every couple years when the primaries they don't participate in select the wrong candidates.
the dems haven't had a primary since 2008
Primaries during incumbent sessions are never serious for any party, so 2012 doesn't really count.
They had a very long primary process in 2016, but Hillary won. Yes, the establishment wanted her, but she also won more primaries than Bernie by the time the convention came around, so the super delegates deciding not to overturn the will of the primary voters is hard to argue against, even though I preferred Bernie.
2020 had a primary season, and Biden won.
2024, they had an incumbent, and Biden didn't drop out until like 2 weeks before the convention.
And there were down-ballot races in the primaries endo one of those years and more. Did you vote in all of them, or are you just bitching because the people who do get off their ass and participate don't do what you want?
you made an excuse for 2012, covered up the systemic corruption in 2016 and 2020, and made another excuse for 2024.
There were primaries every one of those years. There was no rigging of the primaries. If people had voted differently in them we'd had different candidates.
Once again, did you put in a minimal amount of effort to educate yourself on the candidates and participate, or did you just whine about it after the fact?
What about the other primary years when the important stuff is really decided? Biden, Obama, and Clinton didn't just magically appear and become contenders to the Democratic primaries. They spent decades as party members, working their way up from the bottom. You think Bill Clinton would've been President if he hadn't been Governor? You think he would've been Governor if he hadn't been Attourney General? You think he wouldn't have been Attourney General if he hadn't previously run for the House?
There were primary elections every step of that path, and he won them all. That's how he became Bill Clinton. And why did he win that first nomination?
He was a coordinator for the McGovern campaign and clerked for Senator Fullbright.
People don't magically get nominated for the Presidency. It takes decades, and the people who will be nominees in the future are running for county clerk, state rep, or city council now. But if you only show up to vote in general elections every 2-4 years, or only vote in the Presidenial primaries, you don't get to bitch about who gets selected because you wait 20 years to give your input on a candidate.
Take part in the process and give your input when and where it matters or stop bitching about nobody listening to you.
this is a lie, by the dncs own admission
That's 100% false. Did they have preferred candidates? Absolutely. Did they keep people from voting for other candidates or discount their votes? No.
In fact, in 2016 when it was "stolen" from Bernie, the only way for Bernie to win would have been the superdelegates ignoring the results of the caucuses and primaries and installing Bernie as the candidate, which is exactly what everyone implies they did for Clinton.
It's like there's a recurring theme here: those who actually get off their ass and vote have more power to steer elections than those who bitch and moan about everything and stay home pouting.
Donna Brazil would like a word. as would Michael moore
this is the whole ball of wax
Are you suggesting that famous people from outside the party should be placed at the top of the ticket?
Good leaders spend a long time building experience. Someone with a strong legislative, judicial, or executive record should be the candidate. Not some reality TV star or shitty actor. We've done that enough in my lifetime.
So yeah, the candidate should be someone that's been with the party for a long time, and that's why it's so important to get involved and vote in local primaries and elections so that the kind of candidate you want to support is the one that's been working their way through party leadership for 20 years.
this is exactly who my candidate is not.
saying it doesn't make it true.
no..you're making a leap of logic
stop bitciing about others discontent
They made their own bed. I don't want to hear a word out of them that isn't working towards a realistic, attainable solution.
Voting in the general election against the worst party and voting in the primaries to make the other party better is a solution.
Choosing not to participate and then whining that those who do participate are making all the decisions is not.
get off the internet
hasn't worked for me yet
How many primaries have you voted in? Do you engage in local politics and primaries to support progressives early in their careers to steer the party left, or do you show up every 4 years when CNN is talking about your state's primary?
If you do the former - great! Encourage others to do so, and understand that it takes time to change a party's direction. And in the meantime, support that party in the general elections because they're still better than the alternative.
If it's the second, then get more active.
I vote for people I want to win. if you want to fix your party, have at it.
If you want them to win, you should encourage them to caucus with and run as a member of a party that can win.
Any effort put into 3rd parties is a waste of resources because they can't ever win in our system of government. You can wish for things to be different, but wishing doesn't accomplish anything.
you're the one who brought up so-called third parties.