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It's kind of ironic and pretty bitter. The Greens were founded by environmentalists and pacifists.
Their slogan was "never again war, never again genocide"
And both times they were part of a government coalition, they immediately had to decide on an active involvement in a European war (Yugoslavia and Ukraine).
Cause in both wars, "never again war, never again genocide" wasn't an option.
They had to chose one, and they chose to get involved in the war to stop a genocide.
Pacifism doesn't mean you cannot defend yourself or surrender against an attacker.
And that's the whole point here: Ukraine isn't waging a war, they're defending against an invasion.
But pacifism does usually mean you don't join a war where you aren't attacked yourself.
Which is the situation the German Greens are in.
Yes, Ukraine is legitimately, directly, currently defending itself.
Germany isn't.
So helping someone who is being attacked and supporting them is "joining the war"?
Yes, of course it is. Why wouldn't it be?
So if you eat at a restaurant, is the chef joining you for dinner because they're supplying you with food?
Are Russian factory workers building artillery shells for Russian soldiers not part of the war?
If they are, then why not also German factory workers building artillery shells for Ukrainian soldiers?
Russia has declared war on Ukraine, therefore it is at war.
Germany had not declared war on anyone nor has anyone declared war on us, hence we are not at war.
Russia hasn't declared war on anyone either.
(If you claimed it did while you're in Russia, you'd risk up to 15 years in prison.)
So an official declaration of war isn't a good benchmark for whether a country is at war.
Boots on the ground is probably the best metric.
But by that metric, NATO wasn't involved in Yugoslavia, either.
When Germans build computer-guided artillery systems, program their software to lock in the allowed target area and muntion-types, deliver them to Ukraine, a Ukrainian soldier clicks a touchscreen to fire it, and when it is worn out or damaged it is sent back to Germany to be fixed, you can't tell me that Germany isn't involved in that war.
It has declared Ukraine as a "terrorist state" and announced a "special military operation". That's essentially declaring war without using the word war (and Putin has since used the word).
Sure, it's not super solid, but it's a much, much better benchmark than "boots on the ground" or building and shipping weapsons.
Russia is at war. Germany is not.
As would anyone with a working brain.
Comparing Yugoslavia to Ukraine is not a good comparison. The involvement in the Balkan war was an absolute disaster and the point where the Green party of Germany turned to shit. They didn't become advocates for defending yourself, they're not doing it for the sake of the countries that are being invaded or suffering from war crimes. They're doing it because they became outright transatlantic puppets.