US Authoritarianism

democracy-like privileges

I mean it's not like we haven't fought for those. Can't expect someone to just give you these privileges. But more to the point, when I think of democracy it's all those things that make up the whole. Citizen participation, citizen ability to affect things, free and fair elections, freedom of the press and so on. And I don't mean those as absolute terms yes/no but rather as sliders that you'd use to gauge not if a country was straight up democratic or not but rather how democratic/how not democratic it is. And I'd say Finland is far enough into the democratic side that I'd say we do have democracy here.

But tell me this… how many of the corporations Finnish people work for is democratically run?

I mean a very significant chunk of workforce and economy works through cooperatives. And those have elections. Our biggest chain of shops is a cooperative, one of the biggest banks is also, there's energy and forestry and so on. Out of 5,5 million people over 4 million are members of a cooperative. So not sure how many that's numerically out of all corporations but when you consider the size and impact of them, it's a big portion. Of course there's the factor that we're also heavily unionized and unions have both a very strong foothold and legal status. And those have elections ofc. But it's different from cooperatives where you vote for stuff, if that's what you were asking about.

It's all just the sort of stuff I'd say made up democracy. Saying there's nothing democratic about Finland just feels weird and wrong. If we have nothing democratic, who does??