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That statement isn't backed by any data.
"On July 1, 2016, President Barack Obama signed an executive order requiring annual accounting of civilian and enemy casualties in U.S. drone strikes outside war zones ("Areas Outside of Active Hostilities"), and setting a deadline of May 1 each year for the release of such report.[27][28] However, soon after taking office, President Donald Trump designated large areas in Yemen and Somalia to be "areas of active hostilities," thus exempting them from disclosure."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_from_the_United_States_drone_strikes
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-afghanistan-airstrikes-increased-civilian-deaths-by-330-since-2016-2020-12
https://www.ranker.com/list/the-twelve-worst-us-presidents-based-on-body-counts/dralcarroll
https://airwars.org/research/civilian-deaths-by-us-president-in-iraq-and-syria/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War
Obama made it public. Bush and Trump hid it.
Obama also classified all 'military aged' males near areas of hostile activities as terrorists. Sorry you were fooled by Obama but he didnt change America and he didnt bring hope or peace to the world. Just a pretty facade that made yall feel justified and superior as he overthrew socialist countries, continues the wars, the torture, and the deportations.
Sure trump is worse. Everyone can see trump is worse but the policy and enforcement are not as far from each other as the Dem establishment and their fanatics pretend. Obamas America and trumps America are the same America. Libya and Syria, extending the patriot act indefinitely, keeping Gitmo open and us troops in the middle east, prosecuting snowden all really cemented that for me.
We are the baddies. We were during Obama and Bush and Clinton and trump just stops anyone from claiming otherwise.
I didn't claim Obama didn't kill anyone. I do claim, supported by links, that he killed less than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and Trump.
You claimed he was worse than Bush which is not supported by any data.
I see, my claim was actually that he deported more than bush and trump. Not killed more people in war. Not that he was worse than bush, just not different. Obama turned out to be more of the same evil empire.
I did also claim that instead of ending the wars in the middle east via the NATO overthrow of Libya and Syria, and that the drone casualities are under reported.
No. You made many claims only one of which was about deportation.
The one cool thing about digital communication is you can just scroll up and reread the original lol
Can you not see what you wrote?
You wrote a paragraph on anti war
You wrote a paragraph on Libya
You wrote a paragraph on deportation
You wrote follow up replies about young boys classified as terrorists for kill reports.
Now you claim you were only writing about deportation.
???
If you had an actual point you would just quote him.
He said this:
Obama killed less Bush i provided links already
Then he said this:
He killed less than Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr and Trump. I already provided links.
I didn't argue that.
He was disingenuous to claim he was only talking about deportation only after his drone strike argument was proven to be wrong.
Embarrassing. None of that is what you said that he said.
I referenced the quote and you asked for a direct quote. I gave you a direct quote and now you say he didn't say that.
https://lemmy.world/comment/13368170
He said more than just deportation.