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[–] [email protected] 373 points 1 month ago (62 children)

I don't understand how this many people see everything that he's done and said, and still voted for him. I just do not understand. I don't want to live on the same planet as these people, nevermind in the same country.

[–] [email protected] 152 points 1 month ago (22 children)

From what I've seen it's people angry at the status quo and looking for a change in a desperate effort.

This is exactly what happened with Brexit.

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Status-quo politics is dead, many major western parties just haven't realized this yet. People want firmer political leadership that promises fundamental change and isn't afraid of breaking things along the way.

It's just fucking unfortunate that (in most countries) it's only the far right who are ahead of the curve at realizing this.

Center to left parties need to reinvent themselves and focus less on pleasing everyone or fighting losing battles. They also need to present a much clearer vision.

[–] skulkingaround 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Important to note here, the status quo is the status quo for a reason. Incremental evidence based change happens slowly. It cannot happen fast, and that's good. Slow is stable. The clear vision is "the system we have but marginally better tomorrow. And then the day after tomorrow, marginally better than that." It's foolish to vote for anyone who promises drastic change, left, right, up, or down. It's a trick. It's like changing 5 variables at once in a science experiment and expecting any sort of result better than random chance. We don't have a perfect system but rolling the dice on a wannabe fascist dictator is obviously not the way forward if you have two brain cells to run together, but an alarming amount of people seem to just not get it.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Just look at history though and you'll see that most significant changes (both bad and good) happen abruptly and it's often a bit messy.

Unfortunately it's just the way that humans work

[–] Skiluros 9 points 1 month ago

Exactly. It's like the (apocryphal?) quote.

There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.

[–] skulkingaround 2 points 1 month ago

I'm definitely not disagreeing with that, my point is like you said, both good AND bad changes come out of drastic shakeups, and you don't know which one you're going to get.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

That's only helpful if you feel like there have actually been improvements over the last few years/decades.

A lot of people feel like crime is constantly rising, morals in general are not being valued anymore and that the economy is constantly in decline. Mixed with a widespread believe that most politicians are bought anyways.

These feelings aren't rooted in facts but they are there and they make it difficult to simultaneously believe in gradual improvement.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

That does not reflect history at all. Changes are often big, sudden, and violent. They may simmer for years before hand but they go off fast.

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