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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Primates ≠ monkeys

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

If baboons and macaques are monkeys, and if howlermonkeys and spidermonkeys are monkeys, humans MUST be monkeys.

Because they can ONLY both be monkeys if their common ancestor was also a monkey and we share that very same common ancestor. In fact we are closer related to macaques and baboons than to spidermonkeys, which means we share a more recent common ancestor with old world monkeys than both us and the other old world monkeys share with the new world monkeys.

Cladistically, you can not outgrow your ancestry.

Humans are apes, apes are a subgroup of monkeys, monkeys are a subgroub of primates.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Monkeys are a social construct. Like trees.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

If trees aren't real, how can our birds be real?

...I am so sorry

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Simiiformes is a clear and distinct clade.

There is no such thing for trees, because "tree" is a botanical classification, not a cladistical one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Simiiformes is a clear and distinct clade.

Yes but who says that specific clade maps to the colloquial taxonomic word "monkey"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Monkeys are specifically non-ape simians.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We're all apes

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

And apes are monkeys

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

If you go back far enough they do.