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US elections: European Greens call for Jill Stein to step down (europeangreens.eu)

submitted 3 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Here's the problem: Trump is out to maximize environmental damage and the US Green Party runs as spoilers. Let's look at three scenarios:

Scenario 1:

Harris: 1001 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 0 votes

Harris wins

Scenario 2:

Harris: 1000 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 1 vote

Tied vote, which goes to the courts and Congress, putting Trump in power

Scenario 3:

Harris: 999 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 2 votes

Trump wins outright

This spoiler effect makes it really imperative to actively vote for Harris if you want to see any kind of climate action going forward. Republicans know this, which is why they're the ones funding the Green Party.

And that's why the European Greens want Jill Stein to step down now — they get that what she's doing is making it easier to elect a fascist bent on environmental destruction.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (13 children)

I agree that climate change is a global problem, but letting the one candidate who said "drill baby, drill," got $75mil investments from Big Oil, has indicated he'd be a dictator, and has explicitly called climate change a hoax—we can just let him win, because surely he won't put the boot upon the climate activists and suppress any effort to do anything meaningful about the climate?

Is that your plan? Because I fail to see how electing Donald Trump will give you the status quo you're assuming you'll have to be able to effect any sort of climate agenda.

Do all those activist things, but don't be so gullible or naive to think that the judges the president will pick, the Congresspersons and lobbying interests they choose to listen to, the people they appoint to their cabinet, and countries they do business with are tantamount to nothing.

Unless you sincerely think that stuff is tantamount to nothing compared to protests, in which case, I wish I could be that privileged and divorced from reality.

[–] index -2 points 3 months ago (12 children)

I agree that climate change is a global problem, but letting the one candidate who said “drill baby, drill,” got $75mil investments from Big Oil, has indicated he’d be a dictator, and has explicitly called climate change a hoax—we can just let him win, because surely he won’t put the boot upon the climate activists and suppress any effort to do anything meaningful about the climate?

Climate activists are already being beaten and arrested pretty much all around the world.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (11 children)

So, not going to answer the questions I asked you and just pretend it's going to be exactly the same under both candidates?

Is that your strategy? Are you a troll?

[–] index 0 points 3 months ago

What is exactly your question?

My "strategy" aka the right thing to do is to not endorse or advocate for criminals. Simple as that

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