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Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).

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[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

How is atomic less confusing? Immutable means that something doesn't change, atomic means that it's the size of an atom or has nuclear energy

EDIT: I've learned that some people are overly pedantic about the meaning and practical use of the word "immutable", so much so that they decided to create a bigger confusion by giving another word a completely different and exclusive meaning

[–] priapus 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Atomic in software refers to an operation that cannot be interrupted, like the updates in these distros. Immutable is a more confusing term, as it leads users to believe that cannot control parts of the system, when in reality these distros still have tools to do so.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

It's not semantics, they are two different things.

And to your edit... Are you upset that there are two different words that mean two different things? I don't understand.

they decided to create a bigger confusion by giving another word a completely different and exclusive meaning

Isn't this just how words work...?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

How could you install anything or change any setting if it "doesn't change" ?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Settings live in user space. Software exist in containers like AppImage, Flatpak or Distrobox. If something need deep system integration, they can be layered on top of the system in the user layer. Immutable does NOT mean less control. Just exerting control over the system in a different, usually more systematic, automatic and deterministic way.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah yes, the immutable OS, except for all of the various mutable parts.

We should totally not call it anything less confusing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It's not confusing at all... How is this any more confusing than:

Flatpak - they're not literally flat...

Snap - I've never seen or heard any evidence of something snapping by any definition of the word I'm aware of.

Dolphin - what the fuck is this, no sea life whatsoever!

Kate - this is a text editor, not a person.

Distrobox - not in an actual box.

etc.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

The main difference to your examples is that an "immutable OS" is in fact mutable, while none of your examples describe themselves with an adjective that is contradicting with their function/inner workings.

Flatpak is a pretty good name, because it makes software flat in the sense that it avoids having a (tall) dependency tree.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I installed Bottles, but was disappointed when it didn't actually have anything to do with bottles.

If you think every name of every product, etc., is going to be literal... you're gonna have a tough time in life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Bottles is a noun and not an adjective.

Also bottles has no IT related meaning, while immutable does.

"Immutable OS" is not a product name.


An "immutable" OS becomes mutable whenever a user wants to change anything on it.

Now imagine I keep describing my car as undrivable, because it only becomes drivable when somebody gets in and drives it. - You'd think that this is a completely deranged statement.