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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (5 children)

In this land of legalised extortion in the form of insurance my friend who is in his mid 30s and been driving over a decade with no claims has to pay Β£700 per month.

My mum wanted to add my sister (again mid thirties and driving for nearly 20 years now with no claims) to her policy so she could borrow her car for a week and then maybe use the car once a month if that and they wanted an additional Β£1000 a month for the privaledge.

Fucking scum.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Now if there were a /c/fuckinsurance - I'd be all over that. I love my cars, I HATE insurance companies.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I love that I only have liability at $100k but my cost still goes up every year. My coverage is actually worth less to inflation and those crooks want more money? For what?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Go with a different company.

[–] marble 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Per month?! Wtf are you driving? (Late 40s here, paying around Β£400 per year for my electric mini insurance)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

My bad, i wrote per month but i meant per year, that was my mistake. He is driving a 1.4 turbo new shape VW Scirocco (sp). My mothers car is a 1.3 Citroen C3 so hardly expensive, luxury or even quick cars. Even Β£400 is disgustingly over priced in my opinion though, the way this country does insurance is vile.

Australia's system of buying registration which then covers your basic insurance (third party cover) which is like a tax and insurance cost combined for the car is much more logical, then if you want to you can buy additional fully comp cover for the car none of this insuring per driver per car bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Car insurance is expensive because cars are both risky and highly destructive. Hence, making a market for them involves high prices.

Regardless of what you think of insurance companies, there's just no way around this - you could nationalize car insurance and it would still either be really expensive, either on the policy level or else born by taxes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Certainly not. I just put in some data in an insurance broker thingy and I would be able to get insurance for approx. 120€/month with partially comprehensive coverage (including obligatory liability insurance). These outrageous prices are definitely a US thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The U.S is different in that car insurance has to cover medical expenses for others when you are at fault, combined with the risk of driving quite frankly being higher in the U.S. With medical costs being extremely high in the U.S, prices follow that fact.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I'm not trying to argue against the fact that they are both risky and highly destructive, it is definitely necessary. My issue is more with the way that it works in the UK. I think the system in somewhere like Australia is a lot fairer and isnt inherently designed to bleed people of the maximum amount of money like it is in the UK.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Stop throating the boot of exploitive companies.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're not, they're complaining about the problems inherent to cars.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Which is ignoring the problems inherant to auto insurance, which is fundamentally a greater force in the price/cost of car insurance than the danger of cars.

Yes, cars can be dangerous, but that's not why car insurance is expensive, it's expensive because car insurance companies have a completely captive market in the US- one that must pay whatever the insurance comapny dictates.

As a result, they set the price as high as they can get away with, and then refuse to actually pay it out anyway.

Don't make excuses for the insurance companies. The risk is the whole point, and certainly does not excuse their gouging.

You'll notice other countries do not, in fact, have to deal with this level of price gouging, which implies it's nothing to do with the cars themselves- it's just the insurance companies, and it always has been.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

The risk is the whole point, and certainly does not excuse their gouging.

The risk is the point though. High risk activities will cost more to insure because they'll need to be paid out more often. Couple that with the high destruction possible, and you have frequent accidents that can all cause very expensive damage, necessitating a high base price for insurance.

The price gouging is just capitalism, and I doubt anyone here is going to argue that capitalism isn't bad.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

yeah of fucking course. you guys are forced to buy insurance in the US, they have a big juicy captive market.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There's tons of car insurance companies. We can shop around. Most people don't, for some reason.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Insurance market is just another oligopoly... As with anything else they collude to fix prices. Sure you can lower rate of price gouging by switching every year but at the end of the day theybare still price gouging and there is nothing end user can do about it.

Parasites like warren buffet with geico bullshit...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

You can shop around for insurance, you don't have to just take what they give you.