this post was submitted on 22 Oct 2024
237 points (82.3% liked)

Political Discussions

38 readers
23 users here now

This sub is used for all political discussions around the world but primarily US focused.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump. Palestinian lives don't matter to Trump, nor do they really matter to Harris; however in general, Harris will be better for Americans than Trump, so vote for Harris.

A vote for Jill Stein, Cornel West, Oliver Chase, or not voting, is a vote for Trump.

Just as a vote for Nader was a vote for Bush.

Imagine if Nader didn't run. Imagine there was no Green Party candidate for US President.

Gore would have probably won, and America would have been the better for it. Probably no Iraq war, maybe not even a 911. As a result Iran probably wouldn't be as strong, and Putin probably would have less to legitimately oppose about the US, and would himself be seen as less legitimate—indeed Ukraine might still be whole today.

A new Green deal would probably be in full swing.

Granted, Harris doesn't really care about Palestinians, and some elements of the Democratic party care even less; but Trump cares even less than Harris, and what he will do to the US will be worse.

So while Israel massacres civilians and steals more land, at least under Harris American women would still more easily get abortions, we will have fewer TGs committing suicide (maybe), and health care will be a little more universal.

Also with the 100% tariff on Chinese EVs, the Big 3 will be able to better produce good inexpensive cars (as they've been at least somewhat intending these past several decades), and fascism will have less of a hold on the US.

Therefore: vote for Harris.

If you are a progressive: vote for Harris.

If you are an environmentalist: vote for Harris.

If you are a libertarian: vote for Harris.

If you support voting reforms such as proportional representation, rank balloting, the abolition of the Electoral College, and/or more political diversity: vote for Harris.

If you are nauseated at the idea of voting for Harris: take a barf bag with you while you vote for Harris.

If you are a Palestinian-American who has a relative who was injured, maimed, or even murdered, in Gaza, you should still vote for Harris, because again, Trump doesn't care about them either, but at least you, as an American citizen, will get a better deal Harris than under Trump.

(I'm not entirely sure if I agree with all the above, but I find it hard to refute.)

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Voting 3rd party or abstaining for progressivism is the biggest self own in history.

With Gore, there definitely wouldn't have been a war in Iraq. For Afghanistan, who knows. Even if it started out the same, without the drain of Iraq who knows what would have happened long term in Afghanistan.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

With Gore, there might not even have been a 9/11 attack. The Clinton administration knew about Al Qaeda and was already actively working against them. The bush administration on the other hand chose to ignore numerous warnings from the CIA that an unprecedented attack was coming and that urgent action was needed.

A quote from the then CIA director of counter terrorism: “To me it remains incomprehensible still. I mean, how is it that you could warn senior people so many times and nothing actually happened? It’s kind of like The Twilight Zone.”

But later when it came to the torture bit, the Bush administration was very hands on.

https://www.politico.eu/article/attacks-will-be-spectacular-cia-war-on-terror-bush-bin-laden/

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

And even with 9/11 things could have been different. There was a chorous of people at the time calling for a new Manhattan Project-style focus on renewable energy. Why didn't anyone hear it? W Bush's chants of 'Drill baby drill' were much louder - obviously because he and his party were in charge.

Trump's term was not inconsequential either. For one - he installed three ultra-conservative Supreme Court justices - whatever your left leaning stripes are sure you realize that was devastating to the causes you hold dear. They'll rule for their orthodox conservative Christian capitalist darlings for the rest of their lives and we can't afford another one like them.

A lot can change very fast in this world and I fear a lot of Americans don't realize how serious and cruel life can suddenly get. The corruption that will be encouraged in another Trump administration WILL touch your life and it could be anything from higher expenses via his tarrifs and unclean drinking water via weakening the EPA, to your mom or sister or wife being denied life saving care and watching our environment go from bad to worse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

Bush had billions of personal reasons to allow a 9/11 type event. His family profited immensely from the wars that followed, and he used the event as a catalyst for the Patriot Act and other sweeping changes which he had ready to go. He and his ilk were waiting and hoping for a major event to usher in their new world order.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Voting 3rd party or abstaining for progressivism is the biggest self own in history.

Well said.