Edit - This is a post to the meta group of Blåhaj Lemmy. It is not intended for the entire lemmyverse. If you are not on Blåhaj Lemmy and plan on dropping in to offer your opinion on how we are doing things in a way you don't agree with, your post will be removed.
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A user on our instance reported a post on lemmynsfw as CSAM. Upon seeing the post, I looked at the community it was part of, and immediately purged all traces of that community from our instance.
I approached the admins of lemmynsfw and they assured me that the models with content in the community were all verified as being over 18. The fact that the community is explicitly focused on making the models appear as if they're not 18 was fine with them. The fact that both myself and one a member of this instance assumed it was CSAM, was fine with them. I was in fact told that I was body shaming.
I'm sorry for the lack of warning, but a community skirting the line trying to look like CSAM isn't a line I'm willing to walk. I have defederated lemmynsfw and won't be reinstating it whilst that community is active.
Of course I'm biased. I haven't tried to hide that. I'm not approaching this from a dispassionate, disconnected perspective and have no desire to pretend I am. I had a strong emotional response to something that looked like CSAM. I saw more content that looked like CSAM. I saw a sidebar that actively encourages childlike content. I got told by the admins of the community that it was fine with them.
So I defederated, and it doesn't impact you at all, as you're not on either instance.
And I would do so again. And your snarky replies aren't going to change that.
The constant defederation of various instances for biased reasons does affect everyone who uses lemmy. Instances lead by emotions will degrade this entire system leading to it's downfall. beehaw stopped growing when they defederate from other major instances, and it will happen here too.
My goal isn't "grow the community as big as possible"
My goal is to create a safe community space for queer and gender diverse folk. That goal is more important to me than the idea of "federate with everyone"
Sounds like you are creating a safe space for yourself, damn what the LGBT community wants.
Depending on who you ask, I "don't understand", I "haven't read sufficiently", I'm "body shaming" or, as you claim, I'm acting selfishly.
The truth is it's none of those things.
I'm trans myself, and I'm quite clear on what I've done and why. I understand that not everyone agrees, and that's fine. There are other instances and communities out there, and most of them federate with lemmynsfw. I am doing my best to foster a safe community as best I know how. That's never going to be what everyone wants, and even for those who do want the same, the specifics of how to achieve it will vary from person to person.
If the vision of this space fits your needs, it's here for you. If it doesn't, there are no doubt others that do fit your needs. And you're welcome to exist in both spaces if that suits your needs. But what I'm not going to do is turn around and enable content that can be easily mistaken for CSAM because people think I should.
We are railing against you because you took sweeping action without consulting the community you are tasked with leading. We want a community where we, as LGBT folk, have a voice and input on how a things are run. But if we are cut from the conversation "for our safety," how is our voice heard? Whats the next instance you'll ban to protect our little childlike eyes without asking the people you are trying to provide safe haven to? You keep saying you are trying to protect our precious little innocent eyes, but it's starting to look like we are just little toys in Ada's playpen, subject to her impulsive whims. We are tired of people telling us what we need, we want input damnit!
If your request is "I want to have access to a space that generates content that can be confused for CSAM", it's not going to happen.
What about the other communities on there? They don't have CSAM but you cut them off all the same. It's not about CSAM, it's about you wanting to flex what hilariously little power you have.
It feels like it’s more about you wanting to force pornography on people that clearly aren’t interested
You can go join a different community.
Spin up your own even, and defederate with blahaj if it bothers you so much. That’s what the fediverse is for.
Not for you to have a temper tantrum that easily accessible CSAM was pulled away from you.
then why federate with anyone at all?
People have a voice in a community, Ada.
If that voice is "we want access to content that can be mistaken for CSAM", it's not a voice that is going to get a say
What about we want a community discussion about defederating an entire instance for one community. Idgaf about CSAM, this is about you forcing your insecurities on the whole community. What fuckin' kind of safe space is this for us if we get smacked for deviating from what you find acceptable? Why do we, the people you are trying to "protect," not get a say in how this community is run? Why do we have to cut off a whole instance because you can't find the "block community" button. And then there's the censorship. You are deleting comments from people outside the instance, BUT ONLY IF THEY DISAGREE WITH YOU. That's some ol' double standard bullshit. I'm callin' you out for being a shitty moderator, that's all.
A community with content that looks like CSAM attracts people looking for content that looks like CSAM. Blocking the community doesn't stop us federating with that content.
I mean, whatever your feelings on the community that prompted this, lemmynsfw has another community that is explicitly focused on people who look like they're underage. That one is explicitly designed to attract people who are drawn to CSAM. The admins of lemmynsfw have also let that community stand.
lemmynsfw is not a safe space
Feel free to try that again without the name calling
I didn't call you any names, I criticized your ability to have an adult conversation.