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[–] [email protected] 5 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Context matters. In the ancient world starvation was a constant threat, so a source of concentrated calories like honey could in some cases be a matter of life and death despite the dangers of getting that honey. In industrial society we have in many cases the opposite problem - the majority of the top causes of death are lifestyle diseases which ultimately come down to overconsumption and sedentary lifestyles. Too much dietary fat, especially too much saturated fats, too much sugar, too much refined foods, too much concentrated calories, too much easily consumed liquid calories.

By contrast vegans by far have the easiest time maintaining balanced bodyweight levels.

If you all could learn to let go of your prejudice you might learn to recognize that doing the right things for animal's rights is also some of the best things you could do for yourself. These "vegans" you hate so much are just trying to get you to stop self-harming.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

I think they're making a comment on the way vegans communicate their worldview to others, not necessarily a fixation on honey.

There's also an argument that diet should contribute to thriving, not simply existing in the most convenient way to balance bodyweight.

If your goal is to build strength and muscle, an all vegan diet will be less effective than supplementing a similar diet with animal proteins. Every few years, a top contact sport athlete will give a full vegan diet a go, but they invariably fall back on animal protein because they can't build the mass required.

Ultimately, it's all individual choice and body chemistry.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I've come to understand that the healthiest people aren't vegans.

It's just that despite often lacking certain nutrients, vegan diets tend to enforce being at least kind of healthy unless you go ridiculously overboard on fruit or vegan junkfood.

But eating beef/honey/eggs being "self-harming"? Fuck you very much.

I am completely disinterested in your arguments, and will continue buying ridiculously good foods from abusive sources. Sources that I'd prefer to regulate in terms of animal rights, but every time that comes up, you people divert the conversation to "if you're not gonna be vegan you're evil either way so it doesn't matter" and everyone tunes out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Sources that I’d prefer to regulate in terms of animal rights, but every time that comes up, you people divert the conversation to “if you’re not gonna be vegan you’re evil either way so it doesn’t matter” and everyone tunes out.

Pack it up, vegans. This person was going to wish upon a star to regulate animal agriculture, which would've done it, but we just had to go and advocate for making material changes on a level we have control over, and that forced them to be explicitly fine with abuse. If only we had your thoughts and prayers, what a horrible miscalculation on our part.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Thoughts and prayers? No. Fines. Potentially jailtime. Potentially forcing them to sell farms and factories.

But you do not want it. You're delusional and thinking the animals will just have to endure for a little while longer while you're working on getting the entire planet to switch to a vegan diet.

Besides, you need the worst cases to stay around.

You need to film conversion content, and it'll have to be fresh and gruesome content to be effective.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Thoughts and prayers? No. Fines. Potentially jailtime. Potentially forcing them to sell farms and factories.

And how do you intend to implement those things? Thoughts and prayers.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. Because we don't know how to vote.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh, which candidate that supports those things you mentioned were you going to vote for but now aren't? Love to hear even a single name.

Of course, you can't answer that, because that's not a realistic path in the short term. Let's say you were going to run for office on that platform. First, the major corporations that have a vested interest in keeping things the way they are are going to dump money into the opposition. Second, people will oppose it because it would increase the price of meat - they'll say you're an elitist who wants to make it so that only the rich can have access to it, and emphasize the effect it'll have on grocery bills. They'll also talk about the environmental impact your regulations would cause, since it would take more land to treat animals humanely. And they will also call you a hypocrite for refusing to give up meat while calling the production process unethical, to the point of being deserving of jail time.

So explain to me how exactly you would've overcome those obstacles, if only us mean insidious vegans weren't so preoccupied with asking you to give up your treats.