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[–] [email protected] 20 points 13 hours ago (5 children)

if it needs to be pollinated by bees or wasps, then it's not vegan (insert troll emoji i guess)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I think that's actually a very valid point. What level of involvement in producing the food makes it vegan or not vegan? If eating honey is unethical I would think so is eating food produced by the hard work of another person.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

What level of involvement in producing the food makes it vegan or not vegan?

It's about A) exploitation and B) harming the animal.

Pollination is done by all kinds of insects, but they are part of our ecosystem and happen to be pollinating the plants that we eat. We don't breed them, we don't kill them (pesticides, sure), we simply coexist.

Honey isn't vegan because we breed the bees, take their food and often kill the entire hive because they get sick and cannot survive winter without their honey. It's also not sustainable, because honey bees are being bred en masse and are pushing out native pollinators that are highly specialized in certain kinds of plants, causing them to go extinct.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (2 children)

I think the point was that many veggies are harvested by farm workers who may also be exploited. The concern about bee exploitation but not focusing on human exploitation is the rub.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

The working class gets human rights, is able to unionize, go on strike and rise up against their oppressors.

Animals don't. They just get fucked.

[–] Ookami38 2 points 8 hours ago

There is no ethical consumption, afterall. Pick the hill that works best for you, and die on it I suppose.

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