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[–] [email protected] 154 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (21 children)

Too little too late. Fuck the New York Times and their sane-washing of Trump.

Behind The Bastards did an interesting two part episode covering the role that the media played in Italy, Germany and the U.S. which contributed to the rise of fascism throughout Europe during the 1920s and 1930s. Basically, their attempts to maintain neutrality only served to legitimize extremist rhetoric and present fascists as reasonable folks who just had different, but equally valid, ideas. So The New York Times is just perpetuating the status quo here by sane-washing Trump and legitimizing the extremist goals of the MAGA movement. At some point everyone has to take a side, and many media outlets, including the NYT, have a lengthy track record of choosing to align themselves with the right side of history only after the dust has settled.

If anyone would like to check out the episodes I'm talking about, here's the YouTube version:

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URABscYOjRE

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MW7FCJG9NjQ

Edit: Anyone suggesting the media should not reject fascism in the name of some misguided sense of objectivity will be ignored. I don’t debate the merits of legitimizing fascist movements.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (13 children)

I disagree completely with the part about news media should choose a side. That is exactly what they shouldn't do. Report verifiable facts, without opinion. That's the only way news media should be, in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The problem is that treating all arguments as equal gives undue credance to fringe groups. Like when a climate denier gets equal air time to an actual climate scientist, its portrayed as giving both sides an equal hearing but in reality a representative interview would be more like 1 climate denier and 100 climate scientists.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Your argument implies some sort of authority in news reporting. My personal feeling is that this is precisely what is wrong with today's news reporting (specifically in the United States). It is their job to communicate what occurred. That's it. They should not assert some sort of authority to tell you how you should feel about it.

Quick example: "Prosecutors allege that the defendant robbed the liquor store. They cite a, b, and c as evidence." "Defendant claims the police are framing him and have planted evidence."

That isn't treating both arguments as equal. It's simply stating what occurred. You can verify that both things were said. It will never be perfect, of course, but I think they should adhere as closely to this as possible.

Edit: Meant to add that in my world the climate denier would have never been given air time, because it's been verified false. I think we are somewhat pointing out the same problem from two different views.

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