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Just in your lifetime, how many innocent people has America killed in the pursuit of capitalist ideals. There's literally genocide in all systems because the people at the top are often corrupted by power. The idea that we shouldn't help people because some people were murdered is ridiculous. Have a word with yourself.
Ah yes USA is bad because rus*ian propaganda told me so. Its not a political ideology though, but you'll grow older and wiser
Are the Russians forcing American cops to kill over 1000 people a year? Did the Russians spike the cost of insulin to $250 a vial? Are the Russians stopping America from passing minimum wage increases, universal healthcare, gun reform, abortion rights, trans rights, removing money from politics? Dumb fuck.
No, you really can't. Capital cannot exist without someone to protect it from the working class.
You have no fucking clue what you're blathering about. Just shut the fuck up already.
Cuba has a significantly lower crime rate than the US across the board. Once again, you have no clue what you're talking about.
Go lick boots somewhere else.
I'm not disagreeing with your overall point but comparing Cuba to the US is absurd dude. They're on an island smaller than the state of Ohio in both total population and in square mileage.
My point is it's a direct counterexample for their "communist countries are inherently violent" nonsense. And crime rates are measured per capita so they already account for differences in size/population.
Point me to where the russians support leftists in the western world.
Are these russians in the room with us right now?
Well, you got me mate. It was my russian accent wasn't it. Next time I will be more subtle. до свидания.
The USA is bad because it does bad stuff. Russian propaganda isn't the reason America habitually invades the middle East. Maybe you'll grow up enough to have a discussion without attacking people at some point though.
USA, the only capitalist country, does the inherently capitalist thing embedded to its ideology, of invading middle east. Lmao
i dont need russian propaganda, i look at the difference between my country and america and choose not to enter for various reasons: weapons the most obvious, corrupt police second, 2 corrupt party system, home of nestle and other really bad companies that killed more than some wars (maybe smaller wars but still), so much national socialism/patriotism and it would be expensive to only look at a different szenery when i could watch photos (i know irl experiences is a different thing but still)
MY points
i think the points that matter the most are the bad companies in combination that the corrupt political system allows it out of accepting bribes
oh and they fight wars pasically for stealing the oil, when they cant harvest the oil they leave from what i got
Dont know how much i debunk myself with some stuff, dont really care
then sorry about the nestle thing, that is my error thank you for clarifying.
At least here in germany we had like two main parties over the few years but i think now that they are loosing voting power everything gets better in general (except the afd but that is another story) so yea that is more an US specific problem.
And US has a very short time for officers to train (i think 3 months or so) which reflects directly to the corruption. I think in north europe there are the highest times for police training and they have the lowest corruption rate. And i cant really think of another argument than money why the training should be so low.
For me the US is like late stage capitalism where all the worse things of capitalism are very visible.
I think my main problem is that with capitalism, the rich are like automatically getting richer what is a problrm for the entire population.
And i dont even think i am a tankie because i throw some anti capitalist arguments.
I personally would like socialism but i think that is only possible with smaller communities and not really with the entire globalisation.
That is why i think capitalistic states with a lot of social rules like "tax the rich" are the best way to go.
I really dont think i am a tankie, i may be dumb but not a tankie.
So you're a Nazi, got it.