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As someone who grew up playing games like World of Warcraft and other AAA titles, I’ve seen how the gaming industry has evolved over the years—and not always for the better. One of the most disturbing trends is the rise of gacha games, which are, at their core, thinly veiled gambling systems targeting younger players. And I think it’s time we have a serious conversation about why this form of gaming needs to be heavily restricted, if not outright regulated.

Gacha systems prey on players by offering a sense of excitement and reward, but at the cost of their mental health and well-being. These games are often marketed as "free to play," making them seem harmless, but in reality, they trap players in cycles of spending and gambling. You don’t just buy a game and enjoy its content—you gamble for the chance to get characters, equipment, and other in-game items. It’s all based on luck, with very low odds of getting what you want, which leads players to keep spending in hopes of hitting that jackpot.

This setup is psychologically damaging, especially for younger players who are still developing their sense of self-control. Gacha games condition them to associate spending money with emotional highs, which is the exact same mechanism that fuels gambling addiction. You might think it's just harmless fun, but it’s incredibly easy to fall into a pattern where you're constantly chasing that next dopamine hit, just like a gambler sitting at a slot machine. Over time, this not only leads to financial strain but also deeply ingrained mental health issues, such as anxiety, depression, and a lack of self-control when it comes to spending money.

Countries like Belgium and the Netherlands have already banned loot boxes and gacha systems, recognizing the dangers they pose, especially to younger players. The fact that these systems are still largely unregulated in many other regions, including the U.S., shows just how out of control things have gotten. The gaming industry has shifted from offering well-rounded experiences to creating systems designed to exploit players’ psychological vulnerabilities.

We need to follow Europe’s lead in placing heavy restrictions on gacha and loot boxes. It’s one thing to pay for a game and know what you're getting; it's another to be lured into a never-ending cycle of gambling for content that should be available as part of the game. Gaming should be about fun, skill, and exploration, not exploiting people’s mental health for profit.

It's time for developers and legislators to take responsibility and start protecting the players, especially the younger ones, from these predatory practices.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

While there certainly are problems with other games, at least every game you mentioned is fully transparent about the price tag. Balatro doesn’t exploit whales by concealing how much it'll cost to get anything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And thank you for demonstrating how we got here and why the root issue will never be addressed.

"Whoa now. The game I like does none of that" is the same reason gacha is fine if it is genshin

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They're different issues. The fact that people can and do financially ruin themselves over gacha is a lot more serious, and trying to conflate that with something like Balatro ultimately muddies the message.

I think gacha is a predatory business model that should be illegal, and yes that includes Genshin. But no it does not include Balatro, because Balatro isn't gacha.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Its the same idea. It is taking concepts that are known to prey on those with addictive tendencies and turning that into a game.

That is why I referenced games like Diablo and WoW. They were more about making people spend time but.. time is money.

And THAT is the problem. Knowingly taking advantage of the kind of stuff that rubs dopamine emitters real nice. Because a lot of us can dip in and out of a gacha and not get ruined. And others will fail out of college because they NEED that drop

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not. These are not the same thing. No one has bankrupted themselves playing Balatro.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Money is not everything. That is why I keep pointing out the time argument (and you keep ignoring it...). Gaming cafes tend to take advantage along those lines but also just look up horror stories like that couple that was so engrossed with WoW (?) they let their baby die.

At the end of the day: Warning labels and acknowledgement of what we are exposing ourselves to goes a long way. Rather than just saying "I like X so X can't be bad" until it gets to the point that people insist it needs to be illegal because they cannot help themselves.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

I like X so X can't be bad

I didn't say that. What I said was "these are not the same thing, and drawing a false equivalence between them muddies the message."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

True, and I say this as a fan of Balatro...

...but the core of Balatro is literally in its random presentation. The blinds are random, the jokers are random, the store is random, the planets are random, the tarot cards are random, it's all random. World of Warcraft didn't need you to pay money to get epic loot either, but I still had friends ruin their lives over chasing epic loot in WoW. I haven't had any friends ruin their lives over Balatro yet, but I also don't think it's impossible for that to happen. Obviously Balatro isn't "gambling" in the sense of taking a risk with actual real money, but otherwise it still fits the definition of a skinner box.

Because at their core, when a massive amount of the gameplay revolves around random chance, it's very easy to get addicted to it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The core of lots of games revolve around random chance, and plenty of those exhibit no addictive behavior whatsoever. I'd certainly like to hear a research psychologist's take on it though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Well what do you want the solution to be? I think it's easy to say that games should be transparent about what you're paying for, my stance is that gacha should be outright illegal because of that. But I don't think it makes sense to go after any and all kinds of randomness in games.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I'm not the one who made the original post so I'm not asking for a solution for this.

I'm pointing out how hard it is to lay down a line in the sand and say "this one is bad and this one is good" because sadly, but very arguably, the core game mechanics are addictive themselves.

I remember the couple in ~~China~~ South Korea whose baby died because they were playing too much WoW.

It's been 20 years I got the country wrong: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2005/06/547/

Some people just cannot control themselves when it comes to a skinner box.

I don't know what the solution is because I'd rather not see Diablo/WoW/Borderlands/Balatro get banned.

I just think it is important to discuss the reality of their skinner box operational procedures.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Gacha is the line in the sand I'm willing to draw. Don't put randomness in the price tag.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I mean, in the US before the reversal of the Chevron doctorine, the easy solution would be to pass legislation banning "dark patterns" then assign a regulatory agency to design guidance and enforce the law