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i don't care how the law does it. if you break into people's homes with weapons, i want you removed from society. i'll advocate for a more humane society in which people don't have to do that, but my first priority is making sure that armed home invaders aren't allowed to exist in the same society as me.
What are you arguing? I 100% agree he deserves to be punished.... for the actual crime he committed, which was robbery.
law will always be imperfect. i'm not advocating for anything other than removing violent criminals from society. i don't care how it gets done, really.
We know, that is why you are being called out?
we?
You're looking for revenge, not justice.
how presumptuous of you to assume what my motives are. i say what i mean. my motives are clearly outlined in my previous statements.
Not assuming anything, what you are asking for is revenge not justice. Justice is proportional disciplinary action relative to the crime, tou just want them punished and you don't care how or why, that's just simply revenge.
according to you.
i just don't want home invaders roaming the streets. the law is just a means to an end. i don't care about justice for this young man. have fun with that last statement.
OK, let's start where we agree: home invasion is not OK, and it deserves punishment. Furthermore, I want to remove this individual from the public (until such time that they have been reformed, or at least served their sentence) so they are not able to repeat such behaviour.
Here's where we seem to disagree: you want punishment, seemingly, by any means necessary. My stance is, punish him based on the crime he directly committed.
He was set to potentially recieve up to 25 years just for the burglary and then an additional 30 for murder and the judge dropped it to 24-30. So, if they had just charged and convicted him for the burglary would that not been enough for you? The murder charge, in this case really only provides for a slightly higher upper limit and probably increases time until he is eligible for parole. It's also a slippery slope that can easily be used to pile on charges. So, is piling on the murder charge really worth it? He got caught, he was charged, he's been convicted, they probably would've thrown the book at him just with the burglary charge. Seriously, do you really still think adding that murder charge is worth it?
it's really not my concern. i'm definitely not going to take the lenient side of the two choices. i'm 50. the longer the sentence he gets, the better the chances that i'll be dead by he time he gets out. that's ok with me. i'm not worried at all about the criminal in this case.
Then I'm sorry, you don't care about justice, you just want vengeance. Just remember this is a slippery slope and some day you might be on the losing end of it.
quit telling me what i want. i'm the one that decides what i want. not you. i don't care about your slippery slope. i know how to take care of myself. thanks for your concern.
"Justice is a legal or moral process of evaluating and resolving conflicts, whereas revenge is a personal desire to cause harm or injury to someone who has wronged you."
You don't give a fuck how they get to it, you just want punishment, that's not moral process of evaluating or resolving conflict, it's revenge.
god, you fucking poindexters and your false dichotomies, and your googled definitions, and your fucking debate team bullshit. just fuck off okay? i disagree with you and you don't get to define my motivations. do you fucking understand that, poindexter?
All you want is revenge. You don't care about justice, just accept that. You can't beat logic with ad hominem attacks.
all you want is to have the last word, so go ahead and have it. i'll be living my guilt-free life undeterred by your lame attempt at trolling.