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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

There are vegan blood meal alternatives out there to resolve this exact conundrum.

But the reality is, unless your plants are being grown hydroponically in a sealed warehouse or similar, chances are real good that they are feeding on decaying animals (either directly or indirectly) whether you like it or not. They're mostly insects and annelids and such, but still animals.

I think the issue for vegans is more about whether animal slaughter was involved in making their fertilizer. Dead pillbugs in the soil is just nature doing its cycle of life thing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The issue for vegans is whether animal slaughter was involved and whether they supported it with their purchase.

[–] Rekorse 5 points 2 months ago

Its easiest to treat paying for something the same as doing it firsthand.

It gets really strange to find the line that separates how far away from an immoral act you need to be to be considered moral still. In the same room? In the same building? What if you don't explicitly ask someone to do the immoral thing, and only ask for the remains of it?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Humans are just as much part of nature as everything else

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

a common definition of nature is the stuff that is untouched by humans.

as wiktionary puts it:

flora and fauna as distinct from human conventions, art, and technology

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Some indigenous peoples cooperate with their natural environment. Humans are fundamentally a keystone species that's collectively gotten really bad at it, to get good at other things. We could have human conventions, art, and technology that works entirely with nature and our environment rather than against it. Between these facts, I'm not a fan of that definition.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Would that make invasive species unnatural? When does a disrupted ecosystem become natural again?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If i see you get attacked by wild animals i guess i won't try to help you, wouldn't want to go against nature or anything

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's funny how this is downvoted. Not that I agree, but wouldn't that be the logical conclusion?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Rest assured, i don't agree with it either, but as you say this seems to follow from the statement

We shouldn't treat/cure cancer, cancer happens in nature and we're a part of nature
We shouldn't try to prevent rape, rape happens in nature and we're part of nature
We shouldn't try to limit animal suffering, animal suffering happens in nature and we're part of nature

It's the good old argument from naturalism

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

Life feeds on life feeds on life, plants don't care how you died just how your nutrients are able to be absorbed.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Doesn't have to be hydroponics, using coco coir instead of soil will also fix that issue