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National's new roads a trade-off for safety, public transport, local roading - opposition parties (www.rnz.co.nz)

submitted 2 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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"More people are going to have to rely on cars and trucks to get around because we don't have a pipeline of alternatives like rapid transit, inter-city passenger rail, public transport and safe walking and cycling in our communities”

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh absolutely, sunk cost fallacy is a problem. No disagreement there.

However, my point is cancelling a project doesn't remove the need. We need better public transport, we need ferries, we need infrastructure upgrades. All of these things need to happen, and the longer they are put off usually the more they will cost. So it's not so simple as a sunk cost, as cancelling a project then doing it again later may very well end up costing more in the long run than the over run cost of the initial project. Case in point, the ferries.

I will admit, though, I know less about the wellington light rail project. I was under the impression that a lot of the cost being spent was paying for land that was needed for the project, but you can probably inform me more about this. I'll just say, rail is still needed (or some form of mass transit system).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wellington light rail was to be run along existing streets, so the amount of land purchased was going to be very low, I think most of the land purchased wastes to be for the new tunnels.

I honestly can't explain what happened with Wellington light rail, they did public outreach and surveys almost ten years ago, had overwhelming support for both light rail and a secondary Terrace and Mt Vic tunnel. The council was taken to court over the flyover project, and then... Nothing happened for about a decade.

I'm honestly at a loss to explain it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I must be confusing it with Auckland's recently cancelled project, I remember a bunch of money being spent to purchase land.

I mean, I wish they'd build shit. Total agreement here. It needs to be done, just do it!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

You may be thinking of the cycle bridge across the harbour, they spent fifty mil or so on that, mostly on consultants.