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Male UK university students are ‘less macho’ when sharing flats with women
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 18 Aug 2024
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Being less macho isn't "acting more like a woman". You can be many without being "macho "
What's the difference? Genuine question. I frequently see standard male behavior touted as "toxic masculinity" on this platform, so I'm not really sure what you consider manly, but not macho.
Toxic masculinity is generally founded on the idea that the world owes you something because you're a man. Positive masculinity is a rejection on that. It's using your strength and intelligence to contribute to yourself, your family, your community, and the world. Knowing when to give and when to take.
Tim Walz is a good example of positive masculinity. He's manly af. A soldier, a football coach, a hunter, a leader, a father, a husband. He's used those roles to improve himself and the world around him, he fights against those who hurt him, his family, and community. I'm not arguing he's perfect or the only example. Being perfect isn't part of positive masculinity, but he's a recent example that has gotten a lot of attention.
Genuine question. What is standard male behavior?
Some examples could include competitiveness with other males, being less risk averse than females, and being more analytical than emotional,
And what exactly out of those things is considered to be toxic in general or is it more that the extreme forms of those things are considered to be toxic?
You asked for examples of standard male behaviors, not toxic male behaviors.
Edit: oh, you're asking which of those, people here would consider toxic? Pick one! Put a negative spin on it, and you can probably find that sentiment pretty easily around these parts.
What do you mean by negative spin? You don't think that for example extreme competitiveness can be negative - or what is the point you are trying to make.
I didn't say extreme competitiveness. That's a decent example though. A man will display ordinary competitiveness, and someone will go "oh, that extreme competitiveness is so toxic!", when there was nothing extreme about the behavior to begin with.
You have examples?