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"I don't like nazis"
"YEAH? Whatabout Commies?! Huh? HUH?"
What? I'm just saying that being racist or a murderer is totally unrelated to political views. Those can happen in both the left and right.
Guys, you're smarter than this. For real.
The conversation is about nazis. You keep trying to talk about communists.
I said it doesn't matter if the Nazis were right wing or left wing, what matters is that they were criminals. Then that person said that mass murder and racism is only aligned with the right, so I showed him/her that that is wrong, murder and racism can also happen on the left.
The point being that just because in the past there were rotten apples in the left/right, it doesn't mean that being in the left/right makes you a rotten apple.
And you're completely wrong. They absolutely were right wing, and teaching history accurately matters.
Except for one little thing: Republicans are calling for the eradication of vulnerable minorities and then pretending that they're not acting like nazis and using the lie that nazis were left wing as justification.
Exactly, Republicans are using a fallacy. That is my whole point. Even if Nazis were left-wing, it is totally irrelevant. Both left and right can behave like Nazis.
Republicans, not the left, are currently calling for the eradication of vulnerable minorities. That's nazi shit.
Republicans are lying. They're saying that Democrats are closer politically to nazis than they are, while they're doin' nazi shit.
Yes. Still, it is irrelevant if Nazis were left-wing or right-wing. Everyone knows Republicans always use fallacies in their arguments.
But you're falling victims to their fallacies by trying to show that the left is not associated with Nazis. Who cares if the Nazis were left-wing!!! That is totally irrelevant. Stop playing their game. If the past associations are relevant, then they could use the communist card and show what the left has done in other countries before, like North Korea.
Stop playing their games.
I think it's interesting that you keep saying this instead of "it's irrelevant that nazis were right-wing." You keep pretending that there's doubt.
You won't even admit they're lying.
EDIT: And you keep ignoring that they're doin' nazi shit.
Holy crap man, how thick is your skull?
they are lying.
Nazis were right-wing.
Are you happy? I can't believe you were totally wooshed by such basic logic and you keep pushing that it is relevant if Nazis were right-wing or left-wing. No wonder Republicans are owning that country.
Took this much goading, and in the very next paragraph, you're back to trying to pretend they might not be:
nazis are right wing in all cases. Every time. Every last one.
I mean, you've been repeating the same line over and over and confidently announcing that it's logic. I've explained why it's important to know that nazis are right wing.
They were right wing when the allies liberated Europe from their putrescence in the 40s. They were right wing when they marched in Charlottesville in 2017. They're right wing when they march in front of Disney World. They're right wing when they protest drag shows. They're right wing when they call for eradicating trans people at CPAC and Republicans cheer. nazis are always right wing.
Accurate history matters.
Accurate history doesn't matter in this context because it is being used as a fallacy. The fact that the Nazis were right wing doesn't make the right affiliated with Nazis. The same way leftist dictators don't make the left affiliated with dictators.
The point of Republicans is that the left-wing is Nazi because the Nazis were left wing. That's the fallacy. And instead of brushing that off as a fallacy, you're falling victim to their games.
And you're back to not being able to say "lie."
Nope, but all the nazi shit you keep ignoring every single time I mention it sure does.
We're clearly arguing to different things here then. You just invaded the discussion to push whatever ideals you have.
It's like you understand what I'm saying but you're just here to say that the right wing is behaving like Nazis. I already told you that I agree with that statement, but that's not the point I'm making. I'm not here to argue wether the right-wing or the left-wing is good or bad. But you keep pushing the discussion towards that direction for some reason.
Arguing with you is pointless. Have a good day, sir.
You have not. But good lord have you repeated the "It doesn't matter if the nazis were LEFT WING or that other one" shit over and over and kept acting like it's some sort of deep logical epiphany.
OK, have a nice day.
The Nazis weren't criminals, they followed the rules exquisitely. It's just that they used their politics to put themselves in positions to change the rules.
It also is important, if we're to learn from history, to know that the nazis were favored for their conservative (right-wing) economics and their pro-worker (left-wing) rhetoric, but their actions were mostly defined by their fascism (a far right-wing economic and social philosophy).
Ignoring this is a great way to create a blind-spot that treats any group with fascist tendencies as perfectly safe as long as they're not actively doing a genocide yet.
On the other hand, i do understand and agree with what you're saying to some degree: the Left/Right divide is mostly rhetoric of divisiveness and quickly becomes a shorthand for "people with morally correct beliefs (people who agree with every single political belief I have and whom i will uncritically adopt more political stances from)" and "people with morally evil beliefs (people who disagree with every single one of my political beliefs and whom i will uncritically adopt the opposite stances of)."
This too creates a blindspot where people just assume their chosen team is incapable of morally heinous acts and will also ignore historical fact in order to maintain that dissonance, incidentally recreating the conditions that allow such abusers to rise to positions of power.
Ok, so if it is important to keep awareness, why did people get triggered here when I pointed out that there have also been murderers, racists and dictators in the left? Is it fine to keep awareness only for the opposition?
Keeping an eye on this is exactly the type of fear that the Republicans use to suppress the left. "A leftist president? Have you seen North Korea?"
It's just flawed logic.
The only logic that has created the perfect conditions for racists in power is exactly this type of discrimination based on past examples.
No one is triggered by you.
Oh wow, you're so cool man.
Thank you! It's nice when people notice.