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Russia had no justification for invading Ukraine. (thelemmy.club)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I believe it was purely for reasons of expansion. I don't know exactly what our response should have been, but we need to at least acknowledge that Ukraine is defending their sovereignty and Putin/Russia are the aggressors. We should support them at least minimally.

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[+] [email protected] -10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I agree with you but I do not think it is that simple. For instance, Putin/Russia are the aggressors but Biden/USA are too. The US has supported a proxy-war at the expense of the Ukrainian people. These people are not fighting for sovereignty on their own accord. They are being conscripted, forced against their will, having their bank accounts frozen and being kidnapped off the streets to fight for their "sovereignty". So, when you say we should support them how should we support them? If your answer is to have peace talks I would agree but if it's in military aid I disagree. This war is hurting the people of Ukraine, forcing many into a war they do not want to fight in. The US have been the aggressors for a long time, they are doing it now. But the US media says day after day that this war is for "the good of Ukraine", it's very 1984, all in all. Russia and the US are both equally to blame, this is their war, Ukraine just happens to be in the middle of it.

[–] phdepressed 12 points 4 months ago

The US did not start this war. Putin/Russia started this war by an unprovoked attacks on Ukraine. It is a Ukrainian decision for conscription, the US and Europe are just helping arm and train them.

Any peace deal requires a return of Ukrainian lands to Ukraine because the last time Ukraine accepted the loss of Crimea, Putin reneged on his word and attacked again.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

It is my understanding that Ukraine has been willing to talk about peace but not willing to give up any part of their country. Giving in to a demand like that seems like giving the mugger exactly what they wanted. IDK. What does Russia really have to negotiate with other than taking some of Ukraine's freedom?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

When my ex girlfriend broke up with me I saw her talking to my old enemy mark. What was I supposed to do? I had to start beating her. It was marks fault, he made me do it. He's equally at fault here. Now I just want to cut off her fingers. This would be over and she'd stop fighting me if mark just would stop trying to help her up. I need her to give me some part of her, and promise to never talk to mark or any of his friends ever again. This is mark's fault as much as it is mine. If he didn't help her she'd have given up a part of her body to me and and agreed to never talk to anyone without my approval again. Otherwise she will suffer. Christ that is sick.