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this post was submitted on 15 Jul 2024
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Wrong
Elaborate
You made the claim. You elaborate.
I generally wait for them to label themselves. They are itching to do so. Only reason they don't all walk around with their hate symbols on display is because they will damage parts of their lives, like their careers.
Back in the day, when I went to lots of of metal, punk, and industrial shows, nazis, and other WP assholes, would show up to shows. You had 2 choices, drive them out with violence, or end up with a nazi club. People with these types of ideologies only understand that might makes right, the language of which is violence.
Hear, hear!
Sure. There's a reason we have courts, the system may be rotten to the core, but that does not mean it's right to take matters into your own hands. You cannot trust individuals to make decisions on who is a nazi and who is not. Some people will quickly call another person a nazi for ridiculous reasons like being a meat eater.
Whatever your opinion may be on eating meat, I think we can agree that it does not automatically make you a nazi. However, some lunatics do and this post encourages those people to go do something about it.
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Something that I noticed years ago when working in law: There are pro forma people who care mostly about the process. Was it orderly, were all of the steps followed, the i's dotted, the t's crossed? Speaking colorfully, they would fully support a well-oiled orphan crushing machine, often even if they're the orphans. It does make sense, given that monstrous and unjust rules and procedures are still rules and procedures, with a soothing order to them. Unknown, unpredictable things are deeply frightening to most living creatures, after all.
On the other side, there are the people who care mostly about the outcome, about whether it was just. They've resisted the world's attempts to beat the child's fixation on fairness out of them. There will always be a dynamic tension between the two groups.
So, yes, letting individuals make vigilante decisions about what is just and fair leads to chaos, but justice and fairness are still important. The crux of the matter is that the orderly court system has to deliver actual fairness and justice more often than the chaos does. If it doesn't, then the people who care more about justice and fairness will do the cost-benefit analysis and abandon the system. If you're in the first group, you may feel that an established, orderly court system is good, per se, no matter its outcome. But understand that lots of people also live in the second group, so it does matter if the court system is rotten to the core. It matters a great deal, because those folks will jettison the system the moment the chaos looks like a better option.
Instead of creating bullshit strawman arguments demonizing vegans (or whatever other right-wing "othering" you can conjure), why don't you share your nazi sympathizing with other conservative apologists.
Run along back over to Truth Social or Stormfront or NAMBLA or wherever the conservatives are hanging out these days and tell them how nazi's should be respected. We aren't falling for it.
When the cops are the Nazis vigilanteism is the only real option.
No
You realize that without vigilantism the US wouldn’t exist, right? Nor would dozens of other countries.