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[–] [email protected] 120 points 1 month ago (27 children)

i know conventional gamer wisdom says otherwise but i think this just goes to show how more horsepower just leads to diminishing returns at this point. people call the switch underpowered but it's best selling game is a wii u port! gone are the days of each generation looking infinitely better than the last

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Eh, I think this is more indicative of the power of Nintendo IPs. My wife has been playing a lot of Pokemon Scarlett lately and it visibly struggles and has crashed or frozen at least a couple of times. This isn't the only switch game to do this either (none of them ports too).

People are just willing to put up with a lot of jank in order to play Nintendo games. If Nintendo didn't have such strong titles and only released those titles on Nintendo hardware, the switch hardware probably would've failed. The winning move was to heavily invest in strong games and then lock those games into their walled garden.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Nintendo got ripped apart for Pokemon Scarlet and Violet.

[–] zalgotext 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They still sold like hotcakes though

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Its sales have probably dropped off so it may not beat Sword and Shield but 25 million is nothing to sniff at.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Nintendo_Switch_video_games

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The online critical fanbase is not the mainstream fanbase. Plus, the games are made by Game Freak, and Pokemon is owned by the Pokemon Company, so ripping "Nintendo" would be misguided.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)
  1. Pokémon games aren't developed by Nintendo.

  2. Bad performance isn't always caused by lack of resources. It's more often bad optimisation / resource management.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Even Zelda is stuttering. Or Mario Kart 8 when you play with multiple people.

Not everything can be saved by optimization. Even if it could, throwing more horsepower at the game is cheaper than having every game-developer write assembly code. Switch hardware is tragically slow and it shows in 3d games even with optimization.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Optimisation has its limits, yes. The difference is that Nintendo is satisfied with targeting 30fps for a lot of games, and not caring as much about framedrops as long as the core gameplay is solid and works relatively bug-free.

They spent 12 months optimising Tears of the Kingdom, and it still has areas where there are slowdowns. It was not unfixable, they just decided it was good enough.

Its hard to compare games directly as each has their own constraints and dependencies. BotW for example was also released on Wii U, and that was a limiting factor. I don't remember stuttering in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, but they did make it run at 30fps when playing with 3-4 players, if you mean that?

I think a more egregious example would be Hyrule Warriors in co-op, but again this is Koei Tecmo and not in-housed developed so they didn't have access to the same resources and tricks that Nintendo has.

They could have spent 12 months getting those 10-20fps moments smoothened out, but it was probably not worth the investment as 99% of players don't care or don't even notice when a game slows down a bit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's an exclusive to Nintendo hardware. They only make these games for switch. If you want to play Pokemon, you have to buy a switch. My point was that people love games like Pokemon so much that they're more than willing to buy sub standard hardware to play it, even when the experience of playing is obviously hindered by that hardware. The IP overcomes any negatives from the poor console hardware.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If The Pokémon Company decided to put some polish into those games instead of pumping out 3 within 15 months, I'm pretty sure most performance issues could have been solved or alleviated.

In the same vein, better hardware would not have automatically meant that the game would run without such issues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

I mean they could. But just as Nintendo doesn't need to offer better hardware due to how much people want to play their games, Pokemon doesn't need to do better optimization because people play them anyway. It's honestly unlikely that a better optimized game would have significantly affected their sales numbers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I play switch just because it's fun. It's portable, got the cute little remotes. Have no interest in Nintendo games.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I play Switch because its version of DOAX3 is uncensored

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Lmao had no idea. Switch weirdly seems to have alot of hentai games too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

The duality of Nintendo.

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