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You're missing my point entirely. The party is not going to move further left all of a sudden. Moderates get what they want because there are more of them in the party, and also the the mythical "Swing Voter" who prophecies say will swing the election will be a moderate, once we find one.
And this "mini-primary" is not really what you think it is, the delegates to the convention are already set and pledged to Biden (for now). Those delegates will be voting on the nominee, who will either be Biden or his hand-picked successor. Those delegates will not vote for Mayor Pete or AOC, no matter how badly progressives want it.
Biden's candidacy is not in jeopardy because of his moderate policies, it's because time has caught up with him. If he backs out, his replacement will not be any less moderate. Get over it. There will be no progressive White Knight to sweep the country out of the Jaws of Capitalism.
I agree with that, and no one is saying any differently...
They should to maximize chances to beat Trump. But we all know that's not the priority
Well, the poster I was replying to (who wasn't you) was pointing out the mini-primary as an opportunity to avoid Biden and Harris and pick someone with no chance in the general election, but who passed their Progressive purity tests. I was pointing out that the "mini-primary" is just a rebrand of the same convention roll call among delegates that the party already uses, to make it sound more inclusive. And most of those delegates were picked by the Biden campaign.
I agree that the few people who actually want Biden personally wouldn't vote for a progressive, or even anyone besides Kamala.
It's just they're a tiny tiny subset of the Dem party
Do you remember the 08 Puma movement?
Not only were they so statistically insignificant that Obama didn't lose many votes, his progressive campaign picked up so many traditional non-voters there's a couple red states who only went blue for that election in the last 50 some years. Despite everything moderates claim about how people want moderate policy, what flips red states is young charismatic candidate running progressive campaigns.
So while I think it'll be Kamala and her 29% approval rating, and I do think she has a better chance than Biden, neither are as good as bets of someone like Pete or Whitmere. Who still aren't progressive, just too far left for the DNC.
However just the existence of a mini primary would pull whoever the candidate is (even Biden if he participated) to the left and help beat Trump in the general.