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Turtle Shells (mander.xyz)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What part of the second statement is wrong? A turtle cannot survive without its shell, just like you could not survive without your skull. It is an intrinsic part of what allows it to function as a living organism, therefore the line between "turtle" and "shell" is a bit blurred

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

You cannot survive without air but you're not air

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean yes, no one, human or turtle, can survive without the ecosystem of the earth, so you could really argue that the planet is the true organism and we are simply byproducts of its existence

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Yet you won't argue that you are the earth. Why would you argue that a turtle is the same as a turtle's shell then?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Where can you really draw the line? Could you survive in space without any air or equipment? Even if you could, where did the equipment and air come from?

Photosynthetic organisms are for all practical purposes part of your lungs

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Me needing something doesn't make that thing me, right? I need the sun to survive but neither the sun is part of me / I am part of the sun. Like, are you your skeleton? What about the other parts that are not bones then?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

You can bring extra air and survive just fine.

You can't bring an extra skull.

Likewise, a hermit crab can bring an extra shell, but a turtle cannot bring an extra shell.